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    Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?

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    • ieugen
      ieugen last edited by

      There is this blog post about RedHat closing CentOS to focus on CentOS Stream.
      I know xcp-ng is based on CentOS so the question is what will happen to xcp-ng?

      https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

      I personally prefer Debian and I would love to use xcp-ng on Debian but I know I'm not the main xcp-ng target.

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        umbradark last edited by

        +1 also curious how this might impact xcp-ng going forward.

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        • Danp
          Danp last edited by

          Probably ok since we are still based on Centos 7.5 --

          Updates for the CentOS Linux 7 distribution continue as before until June 30, 2024.

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          • stormi
            stormi XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by stormi

            This recent move from RedHat is clearly sad for CentOS users. For XCP-ng, no immediate concerns since the CentOS packages we use are from CentOS 7 and migration to CentOS 8 had not started.

            In addition to this, CentOS doesn't end. However people won't be able to trust its updates blindly anymore since they won't get all the RHEL QA (Update: actually I've been informed by CentOS devs that they will still receive their fair share of QA and automated testing. CentOS 8 Stream might be a lot more stable that what the announcement let us think). But since we filter and test the updates before they land into our repositories, this shouldn't change anything for our users, even if we switched to CentOS 8.

            In any case there will be time before we need to decide anything.

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              IndyJ last edited by

              Not sure this is a real issue for those that wish to use CentOS 8. But when RedHat brought CentOS in and then IBM bought RedHat I guess one had to see something like this coming. πŸ™„

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              • stormi
                stormi XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                The main bad move here is that they promised support until 2029, people trusted them, migrated from CentOS 7 to 8, and now they regret it.

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                • olivierlambert
                  olivierlambert XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                  Yeah, that's a breach of trust 😞

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                    zulu @stormi last edited by

                    @stormi true that! We've already migrated 30% of our infrastructure to CentOS 8 and now this...

                    This is gold, anyway.

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                    • olivierlambert
                      olivierlambert XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team @zulu last edited by

                      @zulu oh god… Indeed, this is gold πŸ˜†

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                      • stormi
                        stormi XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                        A useful thread from someone working on CentOS restoring some facts after the disastrous announcement and the logical reactions from disappointed users: https://twitter.com/carlwgeorge/status/1336901625290625024

                        The breach of trust is still there regarding the EOL date of CentOS 8, but CentOS 8 Stream itself should not be that bad. It should still receive a fair amount of internal testing at Red Hat. They probably shouldn't have used the words "development branch" in their blog post: it was obvious that everyone would automatically translate it into "unstable".

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                          astrugatch @stormi last edited by

                          @stormi

                          It still moves it ahead of RHEL where as CentOS typically trailed (briefly). I'm not sure what to make of ANOTHER dev branch considering I thought that was the niche Fedora fit in.

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                            Biggen last edited by

                            There is also Oracle Linux which is another RHEL offshoot.

                            Will be interesting to see what Xen decides to do. Does xcp-ng forge ahead on their own and pick a distribution that Xen doesn’t?

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                            • olivierlambert
                              olivierlambert XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                              What do you mean by "Xen" @Biggen ? Xen itself doesn't need any Linux distro.

                              You meant Citrix maybe?

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                                Biggen @olivierlambert last edited by

                                @olivierlambert Yup, I meant Citrix and whatever they call it now - XenServer.

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                                • olivierlambert
                                  olivierlambert XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                                  We'll have discussion with them to have think about the future πŸ™‚

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                                  • stormi
                                    stormi XCP-ng Team Admin Vates Team last edited by

                                    We have published a blog post about all this: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/12/17/centos-and-xcpng-future/

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                                      jefftee @ieugen last edited by jefftee

                                      @ieugen Read the blog post that XCP-NG posted today on this very topic, but even if the decided to stick with CentOS 8 Stream for the future base platform, they have selective control over which packages/updates would get released for XCP-NG.

                                      I've already switched my CentOS 8.x installs to CentOS 8 Stream. Fedora is too buggy and too far upstream of RedHat for my personal taste. CentOS 8 Steam is supposed to be positioned between Fedora and RedHat, so they might just hit the sweet spot.

                                      Of course, if XCP-NG switched to Ubuntu LTS releases as the base going forward, I wouldn't cry about that either, so I anticipate this announcement from RedHat won't really affect XCP-NG and we'll look back on this and realize it was not a big deal.

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