@olivierlambert Well ok, it's just that last time I tried to ask about stuff I was politely told off because I used the installation script instead of paying (that's not the literal formulation but it's basically what the person responding meant).

I know nothing about any blogs, I just check the main xcp website (FFS I am not even allowed to post links, what a forum...) from time to time, so I have no idea. I just updated the admin interfce for the first time since moving over from ESXi, and was puzzled why it looked the same as the "castrated" lite version when previously (which means v5, apparently) it was full of features. I had no idea it wasn't a completed product.

TL;DR: I am just an idiot who installed this few months ago and has no idea about the details. shrug

I probably am not allowed to post here because I don't use the paid version and use the one installed by the Gihub script mentioned somewhere instead, but maybe someone will explain this to me anyway.
Why does XO 6 look exactly the same as XO Lite? v5 looks like a real admin interface, but v6 gives me pre-alpha something vibes. Why did you change perfectly nice and user-friendly interface into this abomination? I also don't see half of the settings of v5. Is this maybe not finished after all?

@olivierlambert So this is official support forum where I am not allowed to ask this?

I have XOA installed via this script https://github.com/ronivay/XenOrchestraInstallerUpdater

When I SSH into the VM and run the installation script and choose update, it eventually fails saying "something went wrong".
This is the log:

+ command -v git
/usr/bin/git
+ cd . && git config --get remote.origin.url
https://github.com/ronivay/XenOrchestraInstallerUpdater.git
+ cd . && git status --porcelain
+ cd . && git fetch
+ cd . && git rev-parse --short HEAD
9a2f4c4
+ cd . && git rev-parse --short FETCH_HEAD
9a2f4c4
+ cd . && git diff --name-only @{upstream}| grep xo-install.sh
Running script version 9a2f4c4 with config:

PORT="443"
INSTALLDIR="/opt/xo"
SELFUPGRADE=true
CONFIGUPDATE=true
REPOSITORY="https://github.com/vatesfr/xen-orchestra"
BRANCH="master"
PLUGINS="all"
AUTOUPDATE="true"
YARN_CACHE_CLEANUP="true"
OS_CHECK="true"
ARCH_CHECK="true"
PRESERVE="3"
PATH_TO_HTTPS_CERT=/opt/ssl/cert.pem
PATH_TO_HTTPS_KEY=/opt/ssl/key.pem

+ id -u
0
+ uname -m
x86_64
+ command -v xe
+ grep ^VERSION_ID /etc/os-release | cut -d'=' -f2 | grep -Eo '[0-9]{1,2}' | head -1
11
+ grep ^NAME /etc/os-release | cut -d'=' -f2 | sed 's/"//g' | awk '{print $1}'
Debian
+ grep ^GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR /etc/default/grub | grep 'Xen Orchestra'
+ command -v dnf
+ command -v apt-get
/usr/bin/apt-get
+ command -v systemctl
/usr/bin/systemctl
+ openssl x509 -pubkey -noout -in /opt/ssl/cert.pem | openssl md5
(stdin)= b34f5bc5d16b54b6621cfa85117299db
+ openssl pkey -pubout -in /opt/ssl/key.pem -outform PEM | openssl md5
(stdin)= b34f5bc5d16b54b6621cfa85117299db
+ df -P -k '/opt' | tail -1 | awk '{print $4}'
6108844
+ grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo | awk '{print $2}'
4005420
+ node -v 2>/dev/null| grep -Eo '[0-9.]+' | cut -d'.' -f1
22
+ apt-get update
Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye InRelease
Get:2 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security InRelease [27.2 kB]
Hit:3 https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian stable InRelease
Hit:4 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates InRelease
Get:5 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro InRelease [12.1 kB]
Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main Sources [271 kB]
Get:7 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main amd64 Packages [420 kB]
Get:8 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security/main Translation-en [280 kB]
Get:9 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main amd64 Packages [8,481 B]
Fetched 1,019 kB in 1s (1,801 kB/s)
Reading package lists...
+ apt-get install -y --only-upgrade nodejs yarn
Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
yarn is already the newest version (1.22.22-1).
The following packages will be upgraded:
  nodejs
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
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After this operation, 251 kB of additional disk space will be used.
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+ cd "/opt/xo/xo-src/xen-orchestra" && git remote set-url origin "https://github.com/vatesfr/xen-orchestra" &&             git fetch --prune &&             git reset --hard origin/master &&             git clean -xdff
From https://github.com/vatesfr/xen-orchestra
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/bnt-confirm-error
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 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/dependabot/npm_and_yarn/axios-1.12.2
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/feat_timeout_rate_limit
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/feat_v2v_more_debug
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 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/melissa/restApi/vmTemplates-id-tasks
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-backup-archive
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-rest-hosts-tags
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-rest-import-vdi-content
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-rest-network-messages
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-rest-pif-messages
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/mra-rest-vbds-messages
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 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/web-core/new-table-system
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/web-core/object-icon-helper
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/web-core/to-computed-helper
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/web-stack/vts-status
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/web-stak/enhance-modal-system
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/xo6/Backedup-vms
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/xo6/add-breadcrumb-component
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/xo6/backup-job-configuration
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/xo6/backup-targets
 - [deleted]             (none)     -> origin/xo6/site-backup-runs
   d7fe4f172..285d1da36  master                 -> origin/master
   8f957f102..ea712839f  apt-update-before-apt-install -> origin/apt-update-before-apt-install
   380bb9f90..ac05d6c9e  bnt-handle-backup-logs -> origin/bnt-handle-backup-logs
 * [new branch]          bnt-loadB-affinity     -> origin/bnt-loadB-affinity
 * [new branch]          doc-docker-support     -> origin/doc-docker-support
 * [new branch]          doc-immutability       -> origin/doc-immutability
 * [new branch]          doc-simpler-sidebar-config -> origin/doc-simpler-sidebar-config
 * [new branch]          feat/fetch-xo5-url-and-store-it -> origin/feat/fetch-xo5-url-and-store-it
 * [new branch]          feat/update-input-search-component -> origin/feat/update-input-search-component
 * [new branch]          feat_monitor_perf_alert_performance -> origin/feat_monitor_perf_alert_performance
 * [new branch]          feat_show_ha           -> origin/feat_show_ha
 * [new branch]          fix_use_qcow2_for_backups -> origin/fix_use_qcow2_for_backups
 * [new branch]          mel/xo6/vm-boot-firmware -> origin/mel/xo6/vm-boot-firmware
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   45bff9d13..8ec765df3  pbt_context_backup-report -> origin/pbt_context_backup-report
 * [new branch]          pbt_easyvirt           -> origin/pbt_easyvirt
 * [new branch]          pbt_update_saml_doc    -> origin/pbt_update_saml_doc
 * [new branch]          pierre-spelling-backup -> origin/pierre-spelling-backup
 * [new branch]          pierre-vm-backup-tab-warning -> origin/pierre-vm-backup-tab-warning
 * [new branch]          translate              -> origin/translate
   1f418d9e9..df78d8b94  web-core/add-ds-icon   -> origin/web-core/add-ds-icon
 + 10dfa3968...b66b96cd8 web-core/create-use-tables -> origin/web-core/create-use-tables  (forced update)
 + 4f72cd57e...20c06cb9d web-core/table-parts-definitions-and-components -> origin/web-core/table-parts-definitions-and-components  (forced update)
 + 58dd2b5fb...fa7f09bf3 web-core/ui-task-item  -> origin/web-core/ui-task-item  (forced update)
 + 62c9b4aa3...99558efe3 web-stack/migrate-to-new-table-system -> origin/web-stack/migrate-to-new-table-system  (forced update)
 * [new branch]          xo6/create-tasks-sidepanel -> origin/xo6/create-tasks-sidepanel
 + ba1a5cb32...50c582477 xo6/create-tasks-view  -> origin/xo6/create-tasks-view  (forced update)
 * [new branch]          xo6/create-vms-view    -> origin/xo6/create-vms-view
 * [new branch]          xo6/host-storage-page  -> origin/xo6/host-storage-page
 * [new branch]          xo6/pool-storage-page  -> origin/xo6/pool-storage-page
 * [new branch]          xo6/site-host-page     -> origin/xo6/site-host-page
 * [new branch]          xo6/update-vts-card-row-key-value-component -> origin/xo6/update-vts-card-row-key-value-component
 * [new tag]             xo-lite-v0.16.0        -> xo-lite-v0.16.0
HEAD is now at 285d1da36 feat(lite): 0.16.0 (#9167)
+ rm -rf "/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726"
+ cp -r "/opt/xo/xo-src/xen-orchestra" "/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726"
+ cd /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726 && git rev-parse HEAD
285d1da361f6b3319e813c0bec5049b9ee829186
+ cd /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726 && git rev-parse --short HEAD
285d1da36
+ cd .
+ readlink -e /opt/xo/xo-server
/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510040302/packages/xo-server
+ cd /opt/xo/xo-server && git rev-parse HEAD
d7fe4f1729e629878e781a40f1e379768abecdd0
+ cd /opt/xo/xo-server && git rev-parse --short HEAD
d7fe4f172
+ cd .
Updating Xen Orchestra from 'd7fe4f172' to '285d1da36'
+ cd /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726 && yarn --network-timeout 300000 && yarn --network-timeout 300000 build
yarn install v1.22.22
[1/5] Validating package.json...
[2/5] Resolving packages...
[3/5] Fetching packages...
warning bare-os@3.6.2: The engine "bare" appears to be invalid.
[4/5] Linking dependencies...
warning "@commitlint/cli > @commitlint/load > cosmiconfig-typescript-loader@6.1.0" has unmet peer dependency "@types/node@*".
warning "@commitlint/cli > @commitlint/load > cosmiconfig-typescript-loader@6.1.0" has unmet peer dependency "typescript@>=5".
warning "@typescript-eslint/eslint-plugin > ts-api-utils@1.4.3" has unmet peer dependency "typescript@>=4.2.0".
warning " > @xen-orchestra/web-core@0.33.0" has unmet peer dependency "pinia@^3.0.1".
warning " > @xen-orchestra/web-core@0.33.0" has unmet peer dependency "vue@~3.5.13".
warning " > @xen-orchestra/web-core@0.33.0" has unmet peer dependency "vue-i18n@^11.1.2".
warning " > @xen-orchestra/web-core@0.33.0" has unmet peer dependency "vue-router@^4.5.0".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @xen-orchestra/rest-api > inversify@6.2.2" has unmet peer dependency "reflect-metadata@~0.2.2".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @xen-orchestra/rest-api > swagger-ui-express@5.0.1" has unmet peer dependency "express@>=4.0.0 || >=5.0.0-beta".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > xo-server > typed-flash@1.0.1" has unmet peer dependency "@types/express@*".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @vates/event-listeners-manager > tap > @tapjs/test > @isaacs/ts-node-temp-fork-for-pr-2009@10.9.7" has unmet peer dependency "@types/node@*".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @xen-orchestra/rest-api > inversify > @inversifyjs/core > @inversifyjs/reflect-metadata-utils@0.2.4" has unmet peer dependency "reflect-metadata@0.2.2".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @vates/event-listeners-manager > tap > @tapjs/asserts > tcompare > react-element-to-jsx-string@15.0.0" has unmet peer dependency "react@^0.14.8 || ^15.0.1 || ^16.0.0 || ^17.0.1 || ^18.0.0".
warning "workspace-aggregator-c0b8f950-6a8f-40e5-b657-3133151d1bea > @vates/event-listeners-manager > tap > @tapjs/asserts > tcompare > react-element-to-jsx-string@15.0.0" has unmet peer dependency "react-dom@^0.14.8 || ^15.0.1 || ^16.0.0 || ^17.0.1 || ^18.0.0".
warning Workspaces can only be enabled in private projects.
[5/5] Building fresh packages...
$ husky install
husky - Git hooks installed
Done in 76.73s.
yarn run v1.22.22
$ TURBO_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1 turbo run build --filter xo-server --filter xo-server-'*' --filter xo-web
turbo 2.5.8

• Packages in scope: xo-server, xo-server-audit, xo-server-auth-github, xo-server-auth-google, xo-server-auth-ldap, xo-server-auth-oidc, xo-server-auth-saml, xo-server-backup-reports, xo-server-load-balancer, xo-server-netbox, xo-server-perf-alert, xo-server-sdn-controller, xo-server-test-plugin, xo-server-transport-email, xo-server-transport-icinga2, xo-server-transport-nagios, xo-server-transport-slack, xo-server-transport-xmpp, xo-server-usage-report, xo-server-web-hooks, xo-web
• Running build in 21 packages
• Remote caching disabled
  x Internal errors encountered: external process killed a task

error Command failed with exit code 1.
info Visit https://yarnpkg.com/en/docs/cli/run for documentation about this command.
+ rm -rf /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202510310726

Can anyone tell me what's wrong please?

@stormi said in Help me, this forum software is horribly confusing:

Also, I believe that the second time you open a thread, it will send you to the first unread message. Hence why it sends you to the first message for threads you have never read.

It doesn't

@Affonso 20 years of working perfectly in a way that makes sense. Unlike this. I'm talking ergonomics, if that word can be used to describe the usability of a forum.
I just don't understand the point of making something that's more difficult to use. Perhaps it's made so simple compared to say, phpBB and its relatives, that the usability actually went down. In my eyes at least.

I guess it's not modern to be able to access all the subscribed and followed discussions, and the modern internet people only care about being notified of quotes or something.
Modern people apparently also always check ALL new posts in the entire forum instead of clicking on "subscribed threads" link every normal forum has.

Btw yes, this is, I think, the second forum ever to use this weird software. The first one I simply closed and never visited again because I didn't really needed to post there unlike here (not to rant, obviously, but since I'm trying to move away from Vmware, I guess I'll need some help from time to time).

@DustinB That's just notifications about new replies, quotes or whatever. Not really what I'm looking for.
I guesss this forum software is just... weird. Very weird. It's lacking some of the extremely basic functionality that I took for granted for way over a decade.

Oh and also, where is the list of subscribed or watched threads? Or is that not a thing in this forum software either?

@DustinB That's useless when there are tens of threads with new replies. I only come here once in a while (for now at least). I would have to go through a long list of threads I am not interested in, looking for the one I wanted to open.
Are you telling me the forum is unable to open a thread on the first unread post when you simply open it from the category it's in?

@DustinB I was asking how to open a THREAD on the first unread post.
When I click on any that I previously opened, but one that is marked as having new replies, it opens on the first one.

@DustinB Great, first troll. Why do I even bother?

I am used to the usual phpBB and similar forums, and this here confuses the hell out of me.
Can anyone tell me how do I open a thread on the first unread message for starters?