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    "CROSSTalk" CPU vulnerabilty (cross-core data leak)

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    • stormiS Offline
      stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team @gskger
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      @gskger said in "CROSSTalk" CPU vulnerabilty (cross-core data leak):

      Would love to run sysbenchbut have no idea how to install it on XCP-ng.

      This will install the version from EPEL:

      yum install sysbench --enablerepo=base,updates,epel
      
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        gskger Top contributor @stormi
        last edited by gskger

        @stormi nice and way to simple - should have read the documentation more carefully 😇

        Anyway, did a clean install and update of xcp-ng 8.1 and ran sysbench (sysbench cpu --cpu-max-prime=20000 --threads=4 --time=30 run) without and with the microcode update.
        Even with maxing out all threads, there is no noticeable impact on CPU performance on my Intel NUC ( i5-6260U, 2 Cores, 4 Threads).
        But mileage may vary with different CPU types.

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          stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
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          Yeah the performance impact is very dependent on the kind of workload.

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            stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
            last edited by

            As part of this update candidate, there is now a kernel update to lower the performance impact of the microcode update.

            We only have the testing results from one user for now. Can other users spare some hardware and time today?

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              stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
              last edited by

              Update published: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/06/12/intel-microcode-security-update-crosstalk/

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                demanzke
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                Hi stormi,

                I know I am a bit late to report but I just updated my XCP-ng install from the main repo. I'm using an i3-7350K that shouldn't be vulnerable according to Intels list you posted.
                After the update default boot settings don't work, the loading screen stalls for a long time then prints a bunch of messages containing "dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timing scripts" followed by "could not boot" and stops there (I don't have the exact wording as I don't have access to the system right now).
                If I select safe boot in GRUB there is a kernel panic during boot "couldn't enable IOMMU and iommu=required/forced".
                Selecting the 4.19.0 kernel during boot works as usual.

                Is there anything else I could try?

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                  stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
                  last edited by stormi

                  @demanzke thanks for the report.

                  To be sure I understand, is it like described on the following picture?

                  55f25c88-6c74-4828-ad77-7e644f87492e-image.png

                  The XCP-ng (Xen 4.13.0 / Linux 4.19.0+1) uses the Xen and linux Kernel version from the last ISO installation or upgrade.

                  A screenshot from the failed boot could be useful. I think the "dracut-initque timeout" is usually followed by some information about what failed. Could you also run xen-bugtool -y from the booted host, upload the resulting tar.gz somewhere and send me the link in a private message?

                  It looks like it's a kernel issue, but since the boot option that works for you also reverts Xen to a previous version, the way to be sure would be to downgrade the kernel and then boot again:

                  # yum downgrade won't work for the kernel because it's a protected package, so let's use rpm
                  yumdownloader kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1
                  rpm -Uv --oldpackage kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64.rpm
                  
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                    demanzke
                    last edited by

                    It is the "Safe Mode" options that results in a kernel panic, not "Serial".
                    I will grab the screenshots and bugtool logs and test the different kernel later today.

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                      stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team @demanzke
                      last edited by

                      @demanzke fixed the picture 🙂

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                      • stormiS Offline
                        stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
                        last edited by

                        Do you get an emergency shell after dracut-initqueue timeout? If yes, there are probably logs that you can read from the current filesystem (which is in RAM at this stage of the boot process so probably disappears afterwards).

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                          demanzke
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                          There is no emergency shell after the failed boot, sadly.

                          This is what happens after the loading bar on default settings:
                          IMG_20200615_192408.jpg

                          Right after selecting "Safe Boot":
                          IMG_20200615_192531.jpg

                          Installing the suggested kernel 6.0.10 changed nothing. Should I try downgrading other packages or an even older kernel version?

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                            stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team @demanzke
                            last edited by

                            @demanzke said in "CROSSTalk" CPU vulnerabilty (cross-core data leak):

                            Installing the suggested kernel 6.0.10 changed nothing. Should I try downgrading other packages or an even older kernel version?

                            Yes, please try:

                            yum downgrade xen-dom0-libs xen-dom0-tools xen-hypervisor xen-libs xen-tools
                            

                            Then if it still changes nothing:

                            yum downgrade microcode_ctl
                            

                            After all this, you'll be theoretically back to the state from before the update... Though there may be an issue with the initrd generation, which would still not allow you to boot.

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                              demanzke @stormi
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                              @stormi said in "CROSSTalk" CPU vulnerabilty (cross-core data leak):

                              Yes, please try:

                              yum downgrade xen-dom0-libs xen-dom0-tools xen-hypervisor xen-libs xen-tools
                              

                              Then if it still changes nothing:

                              yum downgrade microcode_ctl
                              

                              After all this, you'll be theoretically back to the state from before the update... Though there may be an issue with the initrd generation, which would still not allow you to boot.

                              Sadly nothing changed after downgrading the packages. The only thing I have changed after the base install was installing your ZFS port.
                              At this point I would try a fresh install on the weekend and see if the problem reappears unless you have another suggestion.

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                                stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
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                                If we want to understand fully what happens, we could compare the contents of the initial ramdisks:

                                • initrd-4.19.0+1.img => doesn't work anymore
                                • initrd-fallback.img => still works

                                One can extract them with:

                                mkdir initrd-current
                                cd initrd-current/
                                /usr/lib/dracut/skipcpio /boot/initrd-4.19.0+1.img | zcat | cpio -ivd
                                cd ..
                                mkdir initrd-fallback
                                cd initrd-fallback/
                                /usr/lib/dracut/skipcpio /boot/initrd-fallback.img | zcat | cpio -ivd
                                

                                I don't know what differences to look for, to be honest. Maybe you could save those files and upload them somewhere for anyone interested to look at?

                                Reinstalling the host then trying the update again, without ZFS first, then with it (which probably means reinstalling again and redoing the steps), could also be interesting to help precisely understand what happens.

                                For now, it mainly looks like it's related to the initrd, which is generated by dracut when the kernel or other kernel modules (such as the kernel module for ZFS) are installed. As you may know, the initrd is the initial ramdisk which contains a minimal system booted before the actual system and which must be able to mount your root filesystem to be able to continue. Unfortunately we don't know from the output you get what the error is so it's all conjectures.

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                                  Biggen
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                                  When this Crosstalk microcode update hit last week there was an issue with certain Intel CPUs where we coudn't boot after the patch was applied. I run Linux Mint on my laptop and I couldn't boot it after taking the microcode update. I had to boot into recovery and then apt remove intel-microcode to get it back to a working state. Later that day, Ubuntu (or whoever) released a new intel-microcode update that corrected the problem.

                                  Not sure if this is even remotely close to the same issue but wanted to put this out there.

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                                  • DanpD Offline
                                    Danp Pro Support Team
                                    last edited by

                                    Has anyone else encountered this issue? Wondering if these patches should be pulled until this gets resolved.

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                                    • stormiS Offline
                                      stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
                                      last edited by stormi

                                      As far as I know, those patches work well on Citrix' test hosts. They also work well on our hosts at Vates. The microcodes underwent Intel's QA so I don't expect them to break on the vast majority of hardware, though there are reports of issues with some specific models. In @demanzke's case, reverting to the previous microcode did not fix the issue so at first it doesn't look like it's related to the microcode.

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                                        stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
                                        last edited by stormi

                                        Intel just released updated microcode (actually it's a revert) for some models: https://github.com/intel/Intel-Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-Files/releases

                                        I'll update the microcode_ctl package. The "older" microcode that is used instead is still recent enough to contain the fixes against CROSSTalk / SRBDS. Or so I had understood, but I can't find evidence about it.

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                                          demanzke
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                                          Thanks @Biggen and @stormi
                                          I'll try updating then removing the microcode_ctl package tomorrow and share the results.

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                                            markxc
                                            last edited by

                                            Hi do i need to patch my xenserver using AMD EPYC ? Those patches get offered to my AMD nodes by XO.
                                            On intel Xeon nodes it makes sense to me ....

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