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    • borzelB Offline
      borzel XCP-ng Center Team
      last edited by borzel

      We also have an issue with growing control domain memory:

      • XCP-ng 8.2
      • NFS shared storage
      • the poolmaster (xen19 is one of them) are more affected than pool members

      d1fac6d1-997b-4a7c-898c-d4a9c398b566-grafik.png

      Today I install the alternate kernel on one of our poolmaster to see if that resolves our issue.

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      • borzelB Offline
        borzel XCP-ng Center Team
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        I noticed in my monitoring graphs, that since we have this issue, the SWAP is not used like before the issue:

        b07111c8-7c21-4351-85fa-2acc7030bb2d-grafik.png

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        • borzelB Offline
          borzel XCP-ng Center Team
          last edited by

          looked in my yum.log on this server (xen19):

          our problems startet exactly since "Apr 10 18:10:29 Installed: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64"

          yum.log.4.gz:Oct 03 17:35:54 Installed: kernel-4.4.52-4.0.7.1.x86_64
          yum.log.4.gz:Nov 20 18:29:29 Updated: kernel-4.4.52-4.0.12.x86_64
          yum.log.2.gz:Oct 10 20:19:31 Updated: kernel-4.4.52-4.0.13.x86_64
          yum.log.1:Apr 10 18:10:29 Installed: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
          yum.log.1:Jul 07 17:46:34 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.11.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
          yum.log.1:Dec 10 17:59:07 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.12.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
          yum.log.1:Dec 19 13:53:39 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.13.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
          yum.log.1:Dec 19 13:55:20 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-7.0.9.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
          yum.log:Jan 18 17:35:07 Installed: kernel-alt-4.19.142-1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
          
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            r1 XCP-ng Team @borzel
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            @borzel How frequently do you restart VMs? And what's the last dom-id? # xl list

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            • borzelB Offline
              borzel XCP-ng Center Team @r1
              last edited by borzel

              @r1 in general we do not restart many of our VMs, its all very static, only manual operated

              xen19 is now rebootet (we need it in production) with kernel-alt - highest id is currently 4

              xen22 (pool master of another affected pool) - highest id is curently 30

              memory graphs of xen22
              61ef0b14-6ec2-46ea-96e6-6efbd30eb528-grafik.png

              yum.log of xen22 (Problem here also after installing kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64)

              yum.log.5.gz:Dec 19 00:52:47 Updated: kernel-4.4.52-4.0.12.x86_6
              yum.log.3.gz:Nov 08 10:07:40 Updated: kernel-4.4.52-4.0.13.x86_64
              yum.log.1:Apr 10 20:31:01 Installed: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.10.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
              yum.log.1:Aug 31 23:10:50 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.11.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
              yum.log.1:Dec 11 18:00:54 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.12.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
              yum.log.1:Dec 19 12:52:00 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-6.0.13.1.xcpng8.1.x86_64
              yum.log.1:Dec 19 12:54:13 Updated: kernel-4.19.19-7.0.9.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
              
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              • R Offline
                r1 XCP-ng Team @borzel
                last edited by

                @borzel Between 4.19.19-6.0.9 to 4.19.19-6.0.10, following two patches were added.

                0001-block-cleanup-__blkdev_issue_discard.patch
                0001-block-fix-32-bit-overflow-in-__blkdev_issue_discard.patch
                

                Both are well vetted and seems stable without any further changes in them. Was there anything else updated along with kernel?

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                • borzelB Offline
                  borzel XCP-ng Center Team @r1
                  last edited by borzel

                  @r1 yes, ever line "installed" in yum.log is an Upgrade from XCP-ng.
                  Problems started with XCP-ng 8.x

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                  • stormiS Offline
                    stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team @borzel
                    last edited by

                    @borzel did you "yum upgrade" from 7.x from 8.x?

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                    • borzelB Offline
                      borzel XCP-ng Center Team @stormi
                      last edited by

                      @stormi on server xen19 I think so, on server xen22 I'm not sure

                      I looked more close on my memory graphs and saw, that the memory baseline increases every night:

                      "bump" every day:
                      ca76f2fc-89aa-49fb-aa33-5e568070fbc4-grafik.png

                      closer look in week 53:
                      692a8c57-f2b5-4284-8cab-be3a045fb179-grafik.png

                      Dez 31. - Jan 01.
                      8a267bb0-97c3-481c-9da9-bd031093496e-grafik.png

                      Our Backups run from 18.00 till 3 or 4 in the morning (including coalesce).

                      --> maybe the heavy IO load leads to memory leaks "somewhere"?

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                      • borzelB Offline
                        borzel XCP-ng Center Team
                        last edited by

                        Good news from the kernel-alt (server xen19): No RAM leaks so far 🙂

                        b6ca8f80-8bef-4dfe-9064-5823f6aba907-grafik.png

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                          olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                          last edited by

                          At least that's consistent 🙂 Thanks for the feedback @borzel

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                          • stormiS Offline
                            stormi Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
                            last edited by

                            @borzel yum upgrade from 7.x to 8.x is not supported, so it's likely that your host isn't in a perfectly clean state.

                            This is unrelated to the memory leak, but could cause other kinds of issues. Basically, scripts that should have run during the RPM upgrade to ensure the final state is consistent with what you'd have from an ISO upgrade either don't exist or haven't been tested.

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                            • borzelB Offline
                              borzel XCP-ng Center Team @stormi
                              last edited by

                              @stormi I'm not complete sure if I did the iso upgrade or not... 😕

                              But it's a good idea to reinstall the poolmaster from scratch...

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                                r1 XCP-ng Team @borzel
                                last edited by

                                @borzel I wish comparing kernel-alt and base kernel was easy to catch this... I'm sure that the tapdisk IO code is same in kernel and kernel-alt.

                                Also the 2 patches mentioned earlier are also present in base kernel of xcp-ng 8.2 as well as kernel-alt 4.19.142. They are also present for xcp-ng 8.1 base kernel, however they are not present in xcp-ng 8.1 kernel-alt.

                                Can you confirm your kernel-alt version?

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                                  r1 XCP-ng Team @r1
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                                  @borzel Also, I somehow need to be able to reproduce the issue at lab. If you can give more details about how do you do backup, may be I can simulate something.

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                                    fasterfourier @r1
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                                    @r1 If it helps at all, I have seen this more often on the pool master than in other pool hosts. We are using XO delta backup on 125 VMs in this pool daily. So, the master is busy doing a lot of snapshot coalesce operations (lots of iSCSI storage IO) compared to other hosts. The other host that has hit 95% control domain memory use is also IO heavy (it has some database server VMs).

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                                    • borzelB Offline
                                      borzel XCP-ng Center Team @r1
                                      last edited by borzel

                                      @r1 our complete setup:

                                      [FreeNAS NFS] <----shared-storage----> [Pool of 2 servers (xen22 + xen23)] ----XAPI---> [XO from sources] -----remote----> [FreeNAS NFS]

                                      All [servers] are real hardware servers, no VMs involved.

                                      Same chain of servers for xen19, execpt there are more pool members (and VMs).

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                                      • borzelB Offline
                                        borzel XCP-ng Center Team @r1
                                        last edited by borzel

                                        @r1

                                        [02:27 xen19 ~]# uname -a
                                        Linux xen19 4.19.142 #1 SMP Tue Nov 3 11:27:36 CET 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
                                        
                                        [02:30 xen19 ~]# yum list installed | grep kernel
                                        kernel.x86_64                   4.19.19-7.0.9.1.xcpng8.2    @xcp-ng-updates     
                                        kernel-alt.x86_64               4.19.142-1.xcpng8.2         @xcp-ng-base 
                                        

                                        memory graph so far:

                                        ca10cb2d-fbfb-48b0-8edd-237fc56ff38f-grafik.png

                                        looking very good!!!

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                                        • R Offline
                                          r1 XCP-ng Team @borzel
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                                          @borzel Thanks. That rules out the my suspicion on those patches. We are still working on reproducing this issue without success. We would really appreciate if you or someone from community can arrange a test hosts which shows this problem. Reason for test host is because we will have to replace the kernel multiple times to observe change.

                                          Another test users can do is to remove iscsi from equation. Run some workloads on local disks (with backups) and verify control domain memory usage.

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                                            garyabrahams
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                                            Good morning.
                                            Long time lurker, first time commenter.
                                            Just wanted to add my 2c worth to this conversation, that may assist.

                                            We are running 37 XCP-ng servers, most on Xen 8.0, mixture of Dell R630/640 and some odd Supermicro servers, and we have been experiencing this issue on some of them where DOM0 runs out of memory (free -m like the first post shows very little RAM left).

                                            We see a performance impact (but the VMS still run) with DOM0 - just trying to SSH to DOM0 / using xsconsole is slow, and then eventually DOM0's network fails and whatever we try doesn't restart the networking. When DOM0's network fails all the vms also loose network connectivity. The only resolution is to manually stop each vm via command line and then reboot the xen host.

                                            With one exception, all Xen servers that have experienced this issue generally has an uptime of at least 200 days, but the thing I find interesting is the servers that also have issues has a kubernetes data node on them.

                                            I assume something that kubernetes does is causing the issue. The boxes that do not have kubernetes on them (with 1 exception) never has had this issue.

                                            I have a spare Dell R640 that I'm currently doing some testing on to see if I can create lots of VM and do a heap of CPU/Memory/IO on it to see if I can replicate the issue and if I can try the alternative kernel to see if that makes any difference.

                                            I'll provide feedback on what I find.

                                            Gary

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