This is not just a powerful symbolic thing: by closing issue n°1, we are really reaffirming our independance and our capacity to build everything without using any binary provided by Citrix.

It's really a great news for XCP-ng's future!

https://github.com/xcp-ng/xcp/issues/1

Since last week, we have a new team member @ronan-a is now part of Vates XCP-ng team, with @stormi and myself.

@r1 and @johnelse are still with us as external contributors.

@ronan-a , feel free to introduce yourself here (and the stuff you are working on)

Hey everyone,

Just to let you know I'm finally taking a 2 weeks break, and it's really needed (thanks Broadcom for the extra work those last months )

I will make sure that everyone with admin powers will review often the registration waiting list. For the rest, it's up to you, the community, to demonstrate you can help each other without having me around. I don't doubt it, but I wanted to tell you why you won't see me for the next 2 weeks

Enjoy and see you then!

https://xcp-ng.org/docs/

It's far from being complete, but it's a great first step in improving XCP-ng existing documentation and also visibility/credibility!

Everyone can still contribute (link on the bottom of each page), even if it's a bit more difficult than the wiki.

Let me know what you think about it

What about the wiki? We'll probably to continue to have very specific content there, and "promote" content to the doc if it "fits" for enough people.

https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/04/17/100-000-downloads-for-xcp-ng/

So you probably spotted the news, feel free to comment here

Maybe it wasn't clear? French gov won't do anything in the project, they just support it as a research and dev project boosting innovation, and indirectly contributing to create more jobs that can't be replicated easily elsewhere.

There's no "control" on how we decide to do the R&D, as long as we put resources into it as we said.

XCP-ng is a free and community project, and everybody who want to contribute can do it. There's no "link" between us and any government.

What about this one?

To avoid splitting the community, we'll merge XO forum in this category. It seems not possible (or very not trivial) to fetch the previous XO threads here, so we'll probably have a transition time until we redirect directly XO forum URL toward this category directly.

XOSTOR - Tech preview

Installation script is compatible with XCP-ng 8.2 and 8.3

UPDATE to sm-2.30.7-1.3.0.linstor.7

Please read this: https://xcp-ng.org/forum/topic/5361/xostor-hyperconvergence-preview/224?_=1679390249707

UPDATE from an older version (before sm-2.30.7-1.3.0.linstor.3)

Please read this: https://xcp-ng.org/forum/topic/5361/xostor-hyperconvergence-preview/177?_=1667938000897

XOSTOR is a "disaggregated hyperconvergence storage solution". In plain English: you can assemble local storage of multiple hosts into one "fake" shared storage.

The key to get fast hyperconvergence is to try a different approach. We used GlusterFS for XOSAN, and it wasn't really fast for small random blocks (due to the nature of the global filesystem). But in XOSTOR, there's a catch: unlike traditional hyperconvergence, it won't create a global clustered and shared filesystem. This time, when you'll create a VM disk, it will create a "resource", that will be replicated "n" times on multiple hosts (eg twice or 3 times).

So in the end, the number of resources depends on the VM disk numbers (and snapshots).

The technology we use is not invented from scratch, we are using LINSTOR from LINBIT, based itself on DRBD. See https://linbit.com/linstor/

For you, it will be (ideally) transparent.

Ultimate goals

Our first goal here is to validate the technology at scale. If it works as we expect, then we'll add a complete automated solution and UI on top of it, and sell pro support for people who want to get a "turnkey" supported solution (a la XOA).

The manual/shell script installation as described here is meant to stay fully open/accessible with community support

Now I'm letting @ronan-a writing the rest of this message Thanks a lot for your hard work

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Important

Despite we are doing intensive testing with this technology in the last 2 years (!), it was really HARD to integrate it easily into SMAPIv1 (legacy storage stack of XCP-ng). Especially when you have to test all potential cases.

The goal of this tech preview is to scale our testing to a LOT of users.

Right now, this version should be installed on pools with 3 or 4 hosts. We plan to release another test release in one month to remove this limitation. Also, in order to ensure data integrity, it is more than recommended to use at least 3 hosts.

How to install XOSTOR on your pool?

1. Download installation script

First, you must ensure you have at least one free disk or more on each host of your pool.
Then you can download the installation script using this command:

wget https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Wescoeur/7bb568c0e09e796710b0ea966882fcac/raw/052b3dfff9c06b1765e51d8de72c90f2f90f475b/gistfile1.txt -O install && chmod +x install

2. Install

Then, on each host you must execute the script with the disks to use, for example with one partition:

./install --disks /dev/sdb

If you have many disks you can use them, BUT for optimal use, the sum of all disks should be the same on each host:

./install --disks /dev/nvme0n1 /dev/nvme0n2 /dev/nvme0n3

By default, thick provisioning is used, you can use thin instead:

./install --disks /dev/sdb --thin

Note: You can use the --force flag if you already have a VG group or PV on your hosts to override:

./install --disks /dev/sdb --thin --force

3. Verify config

With thin option

lsblk must return on each host an output similar to:

> lsblk
NAME                                                                              MAJ:MIN  RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
...
sdb                                                                                 8:16    0   1.8T  0 disk
└─36848f690df82210028c2364008358dd7                                               253:0     0   1.8T  0 mpath
  ├─linstor_group-thin_device_tmeta                                               253:1     0   120M  0 lvm
  │ └─linstor_group-thin_device-tpool                                             253:3     0   1.8T  0 lvm
  └─linstor_group-thin_device_tdata                                               253:2     0   1.8T  0 lvm
    └─linstor_group-thin_device-tpool                                             253:3     0   1.8T  0 lvm
...

With thick option

No LVM volume is created, only a new group must be present now using vgs command.

> vgs
  VG                                                 #PV #LV #SN Attr   VSize   VFree  
  ...
  linstor_group                                        1   0   0 wz--n- 931.51g 931.51g

And you must have linstor versions of sm and xha:

> rpm -qa | grep -E "^(sm|xha)-.*linstor.*"
sm-2.30.4-1.1.0.linstor.8.xcpng8.2.x86_64
xha-10.1.0-2.2.0.linstor.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64

4. Finally you can create the SR:

If you use thick provisioning:

xe sr-create type=linstor name-label=<SR_NAME> host-uuid=<MASTER_UUID> device-config:group-name=linstor_group device-config:redundancy=<REDUNDANCY> shared=true device-config:provisioning=thick

Otherwise with thin provisioning:

xe sr-create type=linstor name-label=<SR_NAME> host-uuid=<MASTER_UUID> device-config:group-name=linstor_group/thin_device device-config:redundancy=<REDUNDANCY> shared=true device-config:provisioning=thin

So for example if you have 4 hosts, a thin config and you want a replication of 3 for each disk:

xe sr-create type=linstor name-label=XOSTOR host-uuid=bc3cd3af-3f09-48cf-ae55-515ba21930f5 device-config:group-name=linstor_group/thin_device device-config:redundancy=3 shared=true device-config:provisioning=thin

5. Verification

After that you must have a XOSTOR SR visible in XOA with all PBDs attached.

6. Update

If you want to update your LINSTOR and other packages, you can execute on each host the install script like this:

./install --update-only

F.A.Q.

How the SR capacity is calculated?

If you can't create a VDI greater than the displayed size in the XO SR view, don't worry:

• There are two important things to remember: the maximum size of a VDI that can be created is not necessarily equal to the capacity of the SR. The SR capacity in the XOSTOR context is the maximum size that can be used to store all VDI data.
• Exception: if the replication count is equal to the number of hosts, the SR capacity is equal to the max VDI size, i.e. the capacity of the smallest disk in the pool.

We use this formula to compute the SR capacity:

sr_capacity = smallest_host_disk_capacity * host_count / replication_count

For example if you have a pool of 3 hosts with a replication count of 2 and a disk of 200 GiB on each host, the capacity of the SR is equal to 300 GiB using the formula. Notes:

• You can't create a VDI greater than 200 GiB because the replication is not block based but volume based.
• If you create a volume of 200 GiB (400 of the 600 GiB are physically used) and the remaining disk can't be used because it becomes impossible to replicate on two different disks.
• If you create 3 volumes of 100 GiB: the SR becomes fully filled. In this case you have 300 GiB of unique data and a replication of 300 GiB.

How to destroy properly the SR after a SR.forget call?

If you used a command like SR.forget, the SR is not actually removed properly. To do that you can execute these commands:

# Create new UUID for the SR to reintroduce it.
uuidgen

# Reintroduce the SR.
xe sr-introduce uuid=<UUID_of_uuidgen> type=linstor shared=true name-label="XOSTOR" content-type=user

# Get host list to recreate PBD
xe host-list
...

# For each host, you must execute a `xe pbd-create` call.
# Don't forget to use the correct SR/host UUIDs, and device-config parameters.
xe pbd-create host-uuid=<host_uuid>  sr-uuid=uuid_of_uuidgen> device-config:provisioning=thick device-config:redundancy=<redundancy> device-config:group-name=<group_name>

# After this point you can now destroy the SR properly using xe or XOA.

Node: auto-eviction and how to restore?

If a node is no longer active for 60 minutes by default, it's automatically evicted. This behavior can be changed.
There is an advantage using auto evict, if there are enough nodes in your cluster, LINSTOR will create new replicas of your disks.

See: https://linbit.com/blog/linstors-auto-evict/

Now if you want to re-add your node, it's not automatic. You can used a linstor command to remove it: linstor node lost. Then you can recreate it. Also if there is no disk issue, and it was a network problem, whatever, just run one command linstor node restore.

How to use a specific network storage?

You can run few specific LINSTOR commands to configure new NICs to use. By default the XAPI management interface is used.

For more info: https://linbit.com/drbd-user-guide/linstor-guide-1_0-en/#s-managing_network_interface_cards

In case of failure with the preferred NIC, the default interface is used.

How to replace drives?

Take a look at the official documentation: https://kb.linbit.com/how-do-i-replace-a-failed-d

XAPI plugin: linstor-manager

It's possible to perform low-level tasks using the linstor-manager plugin.

It can be executed using the following command:

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=<FUNCTION> args:<ARG_NAME_1>=<VALUE_1> args:<ARG_NAME_2>=<VALUE_2> ...

Many functions are not documented here and are reserved for internal use by the smapi driver (LinstorSR).

For each command, HOST_UUID is a host of your pool, master or not.

Add a new host to an existing LINSTOR SR

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=addHost args:groupName=<THIN_OR_THICK_POOL_NAME>

This command creates a new PBD on the SR and new node in the LINSTOR database. Also it starts what's is necessary for the driver.
After running this command, it's up to you to set up a new storage pool in the LINSTOR database with the same name used by the other nodes.
So again use pvcreate/vgcreate and then a basic "linstor storage-pool create"

Remove a new host from an existing LINSTOR SR

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=removeHost args:groupName=<THIN_OR_THICK_POOL_NAME>

Check if the linstor controller is currently running on a specific host

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=hasControllerRunning

Example:

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=ddcd3461-7052-4f5e-932c-e1ed75c192d6 plugin=linstor-manager fn=hasControllerRunning
False

Check if a DRBD volume is currently used by a process on a specific host

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=getDrbdOpeners args:resourceName=<RES_NAME> args:volume=0

Example:

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=ddcd3461-7052-4f5e-932c-e1ed75c192d6 plugin=linstor-manager fn=getDrbdOpeners args:resourceName=xcp-volume-a10809db-bb40-43bd-9dee-22d70d781c45 args:volume=0
{}

List DRBD volumes

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=listDrbdVolumes args:groupName=<THIN_OR_THICK_POOL_NAME>

Example:

xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=ddcd3461-7052-4f5e-932c-e1ed75c192d6 plugin=linstor-manager fn=listDrbdVolumes args:groupName=linstor_group/thin_device
{"linstor_group": [1000, 1005, 1001, 1007, 1006]}

Force destruction of DRBD volumes

Warning: In principle, the volumes created by the smapi driver (LinstorSR) must be destroyed using the XAPI or XOA. Only use these functions if you know what you are doing. Otherwise, forget them.

# To destroy one volume:
xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=destroyDrbdVolume args:minor=<MINOR>

# To destroy all volumes:
xe host-call-plugin host-uuid=<HOST_UUID> plugin=linstor-manager fn=destroyDrbdVolumes args:groupName=<THIN_OR_THICK_POOL_NAME>

Thanks for all your work @borzel ! We are doing our best to improve our capacity to quickly review and structure external contribution in XO Lite: we are currently working on a dedicated CONTRIBUTING.md with links to the Figma UX design and such, so everything can be developed in the open to everyone.

@florent so it's like https://github.com/vatesfr/xen-orchestra/commit/a459015ca91c159123bb682f16237b4371a312a6 might introduced a regression?

@Andrew And it doesn't with the commit just before?

Hi,

Do you have any error message? What's happening? Anything visible or not?

No, no confirmation so far, that's why we need more to investigate

Bissect is rather fast, it… bissects between 2 commits. If you can pinpoint the exact commit generating that, it means we could probably solve this a LOT faster

For ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisection_(software_engineering)

You can try to pinpoint the exact commit to be 100% sure, with git bissect

@idar21 said in Xen Orchestra 5.110 V2V not working:

I certainly didn't mean to dismiss the significant work that's already been done. At the same time, I think it's important for us all to be open to constructive criticism. Sometimes, even with the most thorough testing, unique configurations slip through the cracks, and that's nobody's fault—it's just the nature of complex IT systems.

That was exactly my own point. And this forum is filled with posts of us solving bugs from people's feedback, all along from the last 10 years at least. So we do appreciate a LOT any constructive feedback: we want to fix what's broken, even for free!

I was talking about this sentence:

I don't think the tool has been tested properly.

Which doesn't sound very constructive in my opinion. That was my point, nothing more. Constructive feedback: yes. Non-constructive feedback: no.

So let's move over, to be able to assist, we need to know your XOA version (or XO commit), exact ESXi version, the kind of storage you use. That is the base of constructive feedback

Hi,

1. The fact is doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for everyone. Sadly, especially in IT and on-prem, there's a near infinite combo of ESXi version, firmware, network, storage and compute associations. We do tested with at least dozens of different cases (internally and with users), and for the vast majority it works. I understand it's frustrating for you, but you cannot simply tell "it wasn't tested", making the impression we did not work at all on this despite spending weeks doing exactly that.
2. That's exactly the goal of the community forum: giving feedback so we can improve it. The way you give feedback will encourage (or not) the fact we'll dedicate time with you to solve your issue on your setup.

There are actual people behind this, investing a lot of their energy into it, diminishing what they did is not helpful for anyone.

Yes! That's a good guide for what you want to achieve

IIRC, you can deploy a proxy with a CLI on the host, no need to have an XOA on that remote site