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      shorian @nraynaud
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      @nraynaud Bizarre isn't it; I'm so very grateful for your efforts.

      Some more news - it seems that one big challenge is around concurrency - things improve dramatically if concurrency is set to 1. As soon as something else is running in parallel, we run into the socket failures. I'm expanding things to try your change on another box to see if the outcomes are different - but in summary what I'm seeing so far:

      • Concurrency = 1 - works fine first time, fails occasionally (20% of the time?) thereafter
      • Concurrency > 1 - almost impossible to get it to run, but sometimes one or two VMs backup ok but not enough to be predictable and never the entire group
      • Anything fails - impossible to get a clean run again until the S3 target has been cleaned entirely

      So it appears that somewhere there perhaps is a lock occurring when more than one stream is running, and additionally there's some kind of conflict when things have terminated prematurely and the target is therefore not in its expected state on the next run.

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        nraynaud XCP-ng Team @shorian
        last edited by

        @shorian thanks, I'm a bit lost, I will read on the node.js Agent class.

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          shorian @nraynaud
          last edited by

          @nraynaud Removing any concurrency seems to be effective; certainly a substantial improvement upon the original backup prior to your amendments.

          We have managed to get things to run pretty much every time now, by running with concurrency set to '1' and being careful on the timing to ensure no other backups accidentally run in parallel.

          Have checked a couple of restores and they seem to be ok too.

          Only thing I would highlight is that now I am not getting the failures, I cannot tell if the issue on the remote when recovering from a partial/failed backup is resolved. I guess this needs me to pull a plug on the network whilst back up is running but I would need to test this on a different machine in the lab rather than where we're running at the moment.

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            shorian @shorian
            last edited by

            Ok, spent weekend having backups running continuously across a number of boxes.

            Good news - the fix seems to have solved things, providing one only ever uses concurrency β€œ1” and there are no conflicting or overlapping backups.

            Restores are working fine for me too.

            In short @nraynaud - it’s a substantial improvement and for me makes this now usable. A huge thank you.

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            • olivierlambertO Offline
              olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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              Thanks for the feeback @shorian !

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              • nraynaudN Offline
                nraynaud XCP-ng Team @shorian
                last edited by

                @shorian I would like to abuse your patience again, by asking you to test this branch: https://github.com/vatesfr/xen-orchestra/tree/nr-s3-fix-big-backups2

                The concept is that the backup upload will happen without any sort of smart upload system or queue.

                Thank you, Nico

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                  shorian @nraynaud
                  last edited by

                  @nraynaud Building XO now; will run a few backups overnight.

                  Anything in particular you'd like me to look for / test ?

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                    nraynaud XCP-ng Team @shorian
                    last edited by

                    @shorian thanks. If you could just try no concurrency as a proof that the code work, then your normal concurrency, to check if the issue is fixed that would be great.

                    This code is meant to be more vulnerable to losing the connection to S3, but I think it's a low risk. It's now using straight HTTP POST.

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                      shorian @nraynaud
                      last edited by

                      @nraynaud Bit of a hiccup I'm afraid ; errors out with "Not Implemented":

                      {
                        "data": {
                          "mode": "full",
                          "reportWhen": "failure"
                        },
                        "id": "1615570162008",
                        "jobId": "b947a31c-35f7-45d9-af88-628ec027c71e",
                        "jobName": "B2",
                        "message": "backup",
                        "scheduleId": "8481e1b8-3d22-4502-abb7-9f0413aca0a3",
                        "start": 1615570162008,
                        "status": "pending",
                        "infos": [
                          {
                            "data": {
                              "vms": [
                                "25a4e2a6-b116-7cee-b94b-f3553fe001f2",
                                "24103ce1-e47b-fe12-4029-d643e0382f08",
                                "60ac886d-8adf-9e21-4baa-b14e0fc1b2bb"
                              ]
                            },
                            "message": "vms"
                          }
                        ],
                        "tasks": [
                          {
                            "data": {
                              "type": "VM",
                              "id": "25a4e2a6-b116-7cee-b94b-f3553fe001f2"
                            },
                            "id": "1615570162050",
                            "message": "backup VM",
                            "start": 1615570162050,
                            "status": "pending",
                            "tasks": [
                              {
                                "id": "1615570162064",
                                "message": "snapshot",
                                "start": 1615570162064,
                                "status": "success",
                                "end": 1615570163265,
                                "result": "294d65fc-ddc7-b8ad-68b8-d14e36b6838e"
                              },
                              {
                                "data": {
                                  "id": "df07dd6b-753e-40f2-89be-75404bac2c1e",
                                  "type": "remote",
                                  "isFull": true
                                },
                                "id": "1615570163286",
                                "message": "export",
                                "start": 1615570163286,
                                "status": "failure",
                                "tasks": [
                                  {
                                    "id": "1615570164234",
                                    "message": "transfer",
                                    "start": 1615570164234,
                                    "status": "failure",
                                    "end": 1615570164257,
                                    "result": {
                                      "message": "Not implemented",
                                      "name": "Error",
                                      "stack": "Error: Not implemented\n    at S3Handler._createWriteStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:428:11)\n    at S3Handler._createOutputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:412:25)\n    at S3Handler.createOutputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:129:12)\n    at RemoteAdapter.outputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/RemoteAdapter.js:513:34)\n    at /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_FullBackupWriter.js:70:7\n    at FullBackupWriter.run (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_FullBackupWriter.js:69:5)\n    at Array.<anonymous> (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_VmBackup.js:209:9)"
                                    }
                                  }
                                ],
                                "end": 1615570164258,
                                "result": {
                                  "message": "Not implemented",
                                  "name": "Error",
                                  "stack": "Error: Not implemented\n    at S3Handler._createWriteStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:428:11)\n    at S3Handler._createOutputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:412:25)\n    at S3Handler.createOutputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/fs/src/abstract.js:129:12)\n    at RemoteAdapter.outputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/RemoteAdapter.js:513:34)\n    at /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_FullBackupWriter.js:70:7\n    at FullBackupWriter.run (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_FullBackupWriter.js:69:5)\n    at Array.<anonymous> (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202103121606/@xen-orchestra/backups/_VmBackup.js:209:9)"
                                }
                              }
                            ]
                          }
                        ]
                      }
                      
                      

                      I'll try over the weekend with a fresh install. Backing up to Backblaze B2 rather than S3 - likely to be the issue?

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                      • nraynaudN Offline
                        nraynaud XCP-ng Team @shorian
                        last edited by

                        @shorian Ah sorry, I think S3 is completely broken at the moment.

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                          shorian @nraynaud
                          last edited by

                          @nraynaud Getting the "not implemented" error on all branches at the moment - is there a functioning, albeit not perfect branch that we can run with as a temporary measure? Thanks chap

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                            yomono
                            last edited by

                            Is this still broken on all branches?
                            It's a shame, it was working relatively fine when used carefully

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                            • olivierlambertO Offline
                              olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                              @julien-f and @nraynaud are working on it. That's why it's still called beta πŸ˜‰ But we should have soon something on track.

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                                shorian
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                                New S3 function (albeit using Backblaze) seems to be working really well for small backups; I'm now seeing almost 100% success.

                                However larger backups are consistently failing with

                                "message": "Error calling AWS.S3.upload: aborted",
                                            "name": "Error",
                                            "stack": "Error: Error calling AWS.S3.upload: aborted\n    at rethrow (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/node_modules/@sullux/aws-sdk/index.js:254:24)\n    at runMicrotasks (<anonymous>)\n    at processTicksAndRejections (internal/process/task_queues.js:93:5)\n    at async S3Handler._outputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/fs/dist/s3.js:100:5)\n    at async S3Handler.outputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/fs/dist/abstract.js:250:5)\n    at async RemoteAdapter.outputStream (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/backups/RemoteAdapter.js:509:5)\n    at async /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/backups/writers/FullBackupWriter.js:69:7"
                                

                                Running with xo-server 5.79.3 , xo-web 5.81.0

                                I'm having the same issue across different buckets in B2 and from different servers.

                                Any ideas?

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                                  shorian
                                  last edited by shorian

                                  As an aside, using the same build I am also getting problems when running CR over a slower WAN, with the following error. Just mentioning it here in case it's related.

                                  "message": "VDI_IO_ERROR(Device I/O errors)",
                                              "name": "XapiError",
                                              "stack": "XapiError: VDI_IO_ERROR(Device I/O errors)\n    at Function.wrap (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/_XapiError.js:26:12)\n    at _default (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/_getTaskResult.js:24:38)\n    at Xapi._addRecordToCache (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/index.js:761:51)\n    at /opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/index.js:789:14\n    at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)\n    at Xapi._processEvents (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/index.js:774:12)\n    at Xapi._watchEvents (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/packages/xen-api/dist/index.js:931:14)\n    at runMicrotasks (<anonymous>)\n    at processTicksAndRejections (internal/process/task_queues.js:93:5)"
                                            }
                                          }
                                        ],
                                        "end": 1620864312824,
                                        "result": {
                                          "message": "all targets have failed, step: writer.transfer()",
                                          "name": "Error",
                                          "stack": "Error: all targets have failed, step: writer.transfer()\n    at VmBackup._callWriters (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/backups/_VmBackup.js:118:13)\n    at runMicrotasks (<anonymous>)\n    at processTicksAndRejections (internal/process/task_queues.js:93:5)\n    at async VmBackup._copyDelta (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/backups/_VmBackup.js:190:5)\n    at async VmBackup.run (/opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202105081131/@xen-orchestra/backups/_VmBackup.js:371:9)"
                                  

                                  CR to a local machine is working fine, the remote one is failing every iteration.

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                                  • olivierlambertO Offline
                                    olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                    last edited by

                                    Thanks for your feedback πŸ‘

                                    @julien-f is working on that πŸ™‚

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                                      shorian
                                      last edited by

                                      πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘

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