Issue after latest host update

RealTehreal

@olivierlambert Following info from /proc/cpuinfo:
Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4105 CPU @ 1.50GHz

True enough, regarding the Wyse topic. I'll try reverting only the microcode update and see, what happens.

olivierlambert

@RealTehreal said in Issue after latest host update:

Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4105 CPU @ 1.50GHz

Another Gemini Lake… So it's clearly related.

RealTehreal

@olivierlambert Yep, I can confirm that in this case the microcode update is the culprit, too.

I just downgraded
microcode_ctl-2.1-26.xs28.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
to
microcode_ctl-2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64

and it's working again. Man, what a mess.

RealTehreal

@RealTehreal
Step-by-step instructions, in case, someone else has the same issue:

1.: yum history list to get the transaction id of the last update.

2.: yum history info # with # being the id from step 1, to list the updates done in this transaction. The interesting part for me was

Updated microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64  
Update                2:2.1-26.xs28.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64

3.:yum downgrade microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64 to downgrade to the previous version. You will have to enter the older version for this command.

4.: Wait until it's done, reboot, test, pray it'll work again.

This is just a workaround! Microcode updates are important security and/or functional updates. Downgrading can lead to security issues.

RealTehreal

@olivierlambert Thank you very much for pointing out the real issue.

RealTehreal

What should happen now? Who should be informed about this issue with the microcode update? Is it still a XCP-NG issue, a Linux issue, or an Intel issue? Thank you in advance for clarification.

andyhhp

@RealTehreal It's an Intel issue, but while this is enough to show that there is an issue, it's not enough to figure out what is wrong.

Sadly, a VM falling into a busy loop can be one of many things. It's clearly on the (v)BSP prior to starting (v)APs, hence why it's only ever a single CPU spinning.

Can you switch to using the debug hypervisor (change the /boot/xen.gz symlink to point at the -d suffixed hypervisor), and then capture xl dmesg after trying to boot one VM. Depending on how broken things are, we might see some diagnostics.

Could you also try running xtf as described here: https://xcp-ng.org/forum/post/57804 It's a long-shot, but if it does happen to stumble on the issue, then it will be orders of magnitude easier to debug than something misc broken in the middle of OVMF.

RealTehreal

@andyhhp Sure thing. I'll just need some time, as I can only do such things in my free time.

nikade

@RealTehreal said in Issue after latest host update:

@RealTehreal
Step-by-step instructions, in case, someone else has the same issue:

1.: yum history list to get the transaction id of the last update.

2.: yum history info # with # being the id from step 1, to list the updates done in this transaction. The interesting part for me was
Updated microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64  
Update                2:2.1-26.xs28.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
3.:yum downgrade microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64 to downgrade to the previous version. You will have to enter the older version for this command.

4.: Wait until it's done, reboot, test, pray it'll work again.

This is just a workaround! Microcode updates are important security and/or functional updates. Downgrading can lead to security issues.

Thanks for sharing the resolution, im sure it will help someone else in the future.

john.c

@olivierlambert said in Issue after latest host update:

@RealTehreal said in Issue after latest host update:

Intel(R) Celeron(R) J4105 CPU @ 1.50GHz

Another Gemini Lake… So it's clearly related.

I had already found this out (its code name) then unfortunately things got busy so was unable to check the microcode notes or post this to the forum. It was without using cat /proc/cpuinfo.

It was from the CPU listed on this web page (https://www.fujitsu.com/uk/products/computing/pc/thin-clients/futro-s740/). Then using Intel Ark on the Intel Celeron processor J4105 revealed it's code name along with a whole wealth of other useful information (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/128989/intel-celeron-j4105-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-50-ghz.html).

andyhhp

@RealTehreal In addition to the XTF testing, could you also please try (with the bad microcode) booting Xen with spec-ctrl=no-verw on the command line, and seeing whether that changes the behaviour of your regular VMs? Please capture xl dmesg from this run too.

stormi

Doc about XTF testing: https://docs.xcp-ng.org/project/development-process/tests/#test-the-xen-hypervisor-itself

RealTehreal

I'll do the testing on the weekend.

andyhhp

@RealTehreal Sorry to keep adding to the list of diagnostics, but everything here will help. After you've tried the other options, could you try this:

If the XTF testing shows any XTF test looping, use that single test, otherwise use your regular VM. Get one VM into the looping state. Check xl list to confirm that you've only got Domain-0 and the one other VM, and note it's domid (the "ID" column).

In dom0, run xentrace to capture a system trace. It's looping so the dump file is going to be large, but it also means that you can CTRL-C as quickly as you can on the shell and it will be fine (a few hundred milliseconds of samples will almost certainly be enough).

Anyway, run xentrace -D -e 0x0008f000 xentrace.dmp and then give me created xentrace.dmp file. If you're interested in what's in it, you can decode it using xenalyze -a xentrace.dmp |& less.

Then, run xen-hvmctx $domid two or three times, and share the output of all.

RealTehreal

@andyhhp said in Issue after latest host update:

@RealTehreal It's an Intel issue, but while this is enough to show that there is an issue, it's not enough to figure out what is wrong.

Sadly, a VM falling into a busy loop can be one of many things. It's clearly on the (v)BSP prior to starting (v)APs, hence why it's only ever a single CPU spinning.

Can you switch to using the debug hypervisor (change the /boot/xen.gz symlink to point at the -d suffixed hypervisor), and then capture xl dmesg after trying to boot one VM. Depending on how broken things are, we might see some diagnostics.

Could you also try running xtf as described here: https://xcp-ng.org/forum/post/57804 It's a long-shot, but if it does happen to stumble on the issue, then it will be orders of magnitude easier to debug than something misc broken in the middle of OVMF.

First things first: here some information.

xl dmesg with debug kernel, bad microcode and after trying to run a VM: xl_dmesg_bad_microcode.txt

xtf short: xtf_short.txt

xtf long: xtf_long.txt

RealTehreal

@andyhhp said in Issue after latest host update:

@RealTehreal Sorry to keep adding to the list of diagnostics, but everything here will help. After you've tried the other options, could you try this:

If the XTF testing shows any XTF test looping, use that single test, otherwise use your regular VM. Get one VM into the looping state. Check xl list to confirm that you've only got Domain-0 and the one other VM, and note it's domid (the "ID" column).

In dom0, run xentrace to capture a system trace. It's looping so the dump file is going to be large, but it also means that you can CTRL-C as quickly as you can on the shell and it will be fine (a few hundred milliseconds of samples will almost certainly be enough).

Anyway, run xentrace -D -e 0x0008f000 xentrace.dmp and then give me created xentrace.dmp file. If you're interested in what's in it, you can decode it using xenalyze -a xentrace.dmp |& less.

Then, run xen-hvmctx $domid two or three times, and share the output of all.

I sent you a pm.

andyhhp

@RealTehreal Thank-you very much for that information. I'll follow up with Intel.

In the short term, I'd recommend just using the old microcode.

olivierlambert

FYI I ordered and received a Mini PC based on a Celeron N4000 for internal testing (Gemini Lake "non-refresh"), and we were able to reproduce the issue

So as @andyhhp said, now we are 100% sure it's the microcode, it's up to Intel, who is now aware of this!

mr_zz

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mr_zz

@nikade said in Issue after latest host update:

@RealTehreal said in Issue after latest host update:
@RealTehreal
Step-by-step instructions, in case, someone else has the same issue:

1.: yum history list to get the transaction id of the last update.

2.: yum history info # with # being the id from step 1, to list the updates done in this transaction. The interesting part for me was
Updated microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64  
Update                2:2.1-26.xs28.1.xcpng8.2.x86_64
3.:yum downgrade microcode_ctl-2:2.1-26.xs26.2.xcpng8.2.x86_64 to downgrade to the previous version. You will have to enter the older version for this command.

4.: Wait until it's done, reboot, test, pray it'll work again.

This is just a workaround! Microcode updates are important security and/or functional updates. Downgrading can lead to security issues.
Thanks for sharing the resolution, im sure it will help someone else in the future.

@nikade Here I am!
Same problem (obviously) for Intel J4005 (I'm new to xcp-ng and I'm thinking about a homelab migration from Proxmox to an old NUC 7 as a test).
So thank you all very much for clarifying me which of the 65 updates (from the initial downloaded image) was the problem that was driving me crazy in these days of testing!