Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng
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@cichy Additionally you can use XO Proxy, for multi-site instances of Vates VMS (https://vates.tech/xen-orchestra-proxy/). Plus the items for Terraform etc are in the DevOps add-on (https://vates.tech/devops-tools).
Given your multiple offices around the world you’ll likely have, multiple servers and/or hosts at each location. So XO Proxy or site VPN links will be a must.
XO Proxy would for the Xen Orchestra related activities be most useful. It will make handling operations like backup, much easier with the proxies performing actions on the remote sites. Less load on the central Xen Orchestra instance!
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@john.c thanks again for all this info!
I plan to meet up with the team this week to assess our objectives and KPI's; in the meantime, all of the above has helped tremendously. I'm currently messing around with establishing K8S + Swarm clusters, testing the automation capabilities, XCP-ng is proving to be quite flexible. Learning the nuances of dynamic resource allocation (CPU/RAM, etc.), there are some nuanced differences from vSphere/Proxmox.
Again, thanks very much for your help. I've made note of all your comments above. Especially references to Terraform/Vault alternatives! These are gold.
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@cichy said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@john.c thanks again for all this info!
I plan to meet up with the team this week to assess our objectives and KPI's; in the meantime, all of the above has helped tremendously. I'm currently messing around with establishing K8S + Swarm clusters, testing the automation capabilities, XCP-ng is proving to be quite flexible. Learning the nuances of dynamic resource allocation (CPU/RAM, etc.), there are some nuanced differences from vSphere/Proxmox.
Again, thanks very much for your help. I've made note of all your comments above. Especially references to Terraform/Vault alternatives! These are gold.
@cichy Also there’s a SR maintenance mode available, something useful for when work needs to be done, on bare metal shared storage.
By the way when your personal notebook blog is fully operational, I would love to subscribe to receive notifications of updates. As we we’ll likely be able to learn from each other.
Was on Saturday 9th August 2025 following the release of Debian 13.0.0 (code name “Trixie”).
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@cichy said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@john.c correct. It's the auto updates and automations that come with the appliance that I am after. I believe the trial is only one month? Or possibly only 15 days? The support element is mostly irrelevant to me/us. I do a fair bit of automation via Ansible/Terraform, so developing our own unique library of Templates is ideal. Again, new to all this. So, it may just be that I've not come across this within my XO from "sources" build
Take a look at my provide or lookup Jarli01 on GitHub if you want a simple yet effective installation and maintenance approach to installing and managing XOCE.
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@DustinB said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@cichy said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@john.c correct. It's the auto updates and automations that come with the appliance that I am after. I believe the trial is only one month? Or possibly only 15 days? The support element is mostly irrelevant to me/us. I do a fair bit of automation via Ansible/Terraform, so developing our own unique library of Templates is ideal. Again, new to all this. So, it may just be that I've not come across this within my XO from "sources" build
Take a look at my provide or lookup Jarli01 on GitHub if you want a simple yet effective installation and maintenance approach to installing and managing XOCE.
@DustinB They mentioned needing the updates and related automations. Also given the size of the organisation that they are working for, they’ll likely need the QA of XOA in production.
If you check out Hok+ (https://www.hok.com/) website then scroll down, to the bottom they list all of their offices around the world. Also you can get statistics about the numbers of employees.
@cichy Am I correct about the above please?
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@john.c point being? Nothing prevents this person from getting XOA once they are live, but staging and testing XOCE has been completely stable.
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@cichy How things go with this switch from VMware, to Proxmox now to Vates VMS. Can potentially impact the software part of the architectural solutions, Hok+ provides your clients. Especially when implementing AI!
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@john.c So hypothetical issues that may require paid support for a testbed is your concern. Is that correct?
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@DustinB said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@john.c So hypothetical issues that may require paid support for a testbed is your concern. Is that correct?
XOCE is alright for test bed, but outside of this in a production environment the use of XOA appliance is likely required.
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@john.c said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@DustinB said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@cichy said in Pre-Setup for Migration of 75+ VM's from Proxmox VE to XCP-ng:
@john.c correct. It's the auto updates and automations that come with the appliance that I am after. I believe the trial is only one month? Or possibly only 15 days? The support element is mostly irrelevant to me/us. I do a fair bit of automation via Ansible/Terraform, so developing our own unique library of Templates is ideal. Again, new to all this. So, it may just be that I've not come across this within my XO from "sources" build
Take a look at my provide or lookup Jarli01 on GitHub if you want a simple yet effective installation and maintenance approach to installing and managing XOCE.
@DustinB They mentioned needing the updates and related automations. Also given the size of the organisation that they are working for, they’ll likely need the QA of XOA in production.
If you check out Hok+ (https://www.hok.com/) website then scroll down, to the bottom they list all of their offices around the world. Also you can get statistics about the numbers of employees.
@cichy Am I correct about the above please?
This is correct. @DustinB ~ I am using this XO sources script to install/update/maintain XO atm. Though, I am on a Mac (ARM) which means I am unable to install XO to manage pools/hosts locally.
I'm going to push the CE/Sources ver as far as I can. It has been noted (by @john.c ) that two incredibly useful 'plugins' - net data/netbox - are not available on the XO Sources edition.
Once again, I appreciate the feedback and comments - all very helpful.
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@cichy You can absolutely install netdata on your hosts https://xcp-ng.org/forum/topic/2288/netdata-package-is-now-available-in-xcp-ng, you simply don't get a SPOG from within XO unless you're on XOA.
It certainly appears that netbox can be configured as well on XOCE as well
This install is using my script, I can't speak for ronivoy's but the plugin is definitely there.
