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    Gpu passthrough on Asrock rack B650D4U3-2L2Q will not work

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    • olivierlambertO Online
      olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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      Yeah, I have the impression it's a buggy motherboard. Let's see if at some point you can manage to get it working 🙂 Keep us posted!

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        steff22 @olivierlambert
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        olivierlambert Yes, I hope so ☺ . I don't need so many cpu cores if I don't have any ext gpu

        Is it the bios that determines which screen the xcp-ng console should be displayed on?

        As soon as I choose passthrough enable, I lose this image on the screen associated with the ext video card.

        But it doesn't come back on any of the other screens connected to the motherboard, nor does ipmi show this xcp-ng console.

        even though I have selected primary video adapter to int graphics in the bios.
        This is the main difference on the Radeon HD 5450 that gpu passthrough worked with. There, the primary video adapter remained on the graphics section of the motherboard.

        So one suspects that this choice in the bios does not work.

        The strange thing is that normal pci passthrough works as it should on both m.2 and pci usb controller card

        Asrock suport wanted to try to reproduce the error with them but have no idea if they will choose to use Xcp-ng and xen orchestra. It takes quite a long time to set everything up

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          Tell them that if they want "assistance" to reproduce, we are keen to discuss directly with them

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            steff22 @olivierlambert
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            olivierlambert Got it working with proxmox now by hooking on an option (PCI-Exspress).

            can one address that there is a pci-e device in the same way in Xcp-ng with a command line?

            As soon as I removed this option it stopped working and I got the same error 43 back

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              Pinging @Teddy-Astie

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                TeddyAstie Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team Xen Guru
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                Hello steff22 ,

                Tested with another PC with Xcp-ng 8.3 and everything worked immediately. So think it must be Asrock rack B650D4U3-2L2Q bios related or ipmi trying to use the same gpu.

                What are the specs of the hardware where it works ?

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                  steff22 @TeddyAstie
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                  @Teddy-Astie It's an asus prime h370f with an old 8 core intel core i7 9700k

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                    ravenet
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                    I have gpu pcie passthrough working on Asrock rack wrx80d8-2t (Threadripper), and x470d4u2 (Ryzen) to passthrough multiple Radeon Pro 7000 series gpus

                    Rodney

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                      steff22 @ravenet
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                      ravenet Do you remember if you only enabled svm and Iommu? Or did you take the whole bunch with SR-iov, ACS,AER,ARI support, resize bar Support

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                        ravenet @steff22
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                        steff22
                        Far as I know, SVM, IOMMU, SR-IOV and POSSIBLY resize bar were enabled.
                        Can't check the threadripper system until the weekend as it runs production loads.

                        I'll reboot one of the Ryzen boxes tonight to verify what I enabled there, but was basically defaults other than making sure the 3 or 4 items above were enabled.

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                          steff22 @ravenet
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                          ravenet ok thanks

                          Didn't work here.
                          But there may be some error in the bios since it is beta and the first bios that supports the Amd Ryzen9000 series.

                          But the strange thing is that it works stably with Proxmox without any errors of any kind.

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                          • olivierlambertO Online
                            olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                            It's not strange, those a two VERY different system in how they work.

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                              steff22 @olivierlambert
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                              olivierlambert Is there a slight software difference, yes But both are hypervisors.

                              So the fact that one of them works means that it should be possible to make it happen with my hardware.

                              Isn't that much you do with proxmox rather than enable iommu in grub and blacklist nvidia drivers plus disable_vga out on the Gpu card.

                              Is it possible to blacklist the nvidia drivers with Xcp-ng?
                              And there is no difference to enable pci passthrough in xen-orchestra compared to command-line?

                              I think I have tried both parts but not sure if I had enabled everything in the bios then

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                              • olivierlambertO Online
                                olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                                No, it's not a slight difference: it's a completely different design. In XCP-ng, you start first to boot on Xen, a kind of microkernel. Then only you boot on specific VM, the Dom0, which is a PV guest. Then, from this guest, you have the API etc. But if the Dom0 has access to the hardware for I/O (NICs, disks, GPUs…), it's still a VM and Dom0 doesn't have access to all CPUs and memory of the physical machine.

                                This means, Xen will always be "in the middle" to control who takes what (on cores and RAM). This is a great design from a security perspective because you always have a small piece of software (Xen) that is controlling what's going on.

                                In KVM, it's vastly different. You boot on a full Linux kernel, and then you load a small module (KVM). The "host" is really the host, accessing all the memory and CPUs. There's a lot less isolation (and therefore security), however the plus is that there's nobody in the middle to deal with.

                                I can assure you that PCI passthrough is really complex and also depends on many factors, even how the BIOS is configured and how many things are done by the motherboard manufacturer.

                                So knowing it works with Proxmox is as saying "it works on Windows", it's that different. It doesn't mean it's not possible in Xen, but if it does, it will be vastly different on how it's done.

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                                  steff22 @olivierlambert
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                                  olivierlambert Ok, didn't realize there was such a big difference. I actually like everything better with Xcp-ng and xen orchestra.

                                  All testing has been done with UEFI BIOS. Is it just a waste of time to try with legacy bios on Xcp-ng and vm os?

                                  Does it still make sense to try to blacklist the nvidia drivers with Xcp-ng Dom0 to try to isolate the Gpu even more.

                                  But is Xcp-ng more like Vmware esxi in the way everything is handled? doesn't work with vmware esxi either.

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                                  • olivierlambertO Online
                                    olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                                    Yes, you could say XCP-ng is a lot closer to VMware than KVM 🙂 (even if VMware is more advanced on some aspects, the architecture is roughly similar).

                                    Anyway, it doesn't mean that will never work; However, it might be less straightforward than with KVM until we find exactly what's causing the problem.

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                                      tuxen Top contributor @steff22
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                                      steff22 Assuming the xen-pciback.hide was previously set, could you try this workaround (no guarantee that'll work, since each motherboard and BIOSes have their quirks):

                                      /opt/xensource/libexec/xen-cmdline --set-dom0 pci=realloc
                                      reboot
                                      
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                                        steff22 @tuxen
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                                        tuxen Didn't work unfortunately. Have used xen orchestra for pciback.hide. the last time. But tried the old fashioned way first. with the command line.

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                                          steff22 @olivierlambert
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                                          olivierlambert

                                          I got Gpu passthrough working with Vmware esxi 8.0.3 now.

                                          Was a choice that one could choose to connect a dynamic PCI device.

                                          Isn't this an indication that the error lies in how Xcp-ng handles pci passthrough?

                                          Both Vmware esxi 8.0.3 and proxmox have two different ways to connect pci devices to vm only one of them works the other method creates error 43 in windows.

                                          But as I said, I don't know anything about what the different choices do

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                                          • olivierlambertO Online
                                            olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                                            Do you have more information in that VMware option?

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