Testing ZFS with XCP-ng

nraynaud

If other people can reproduce my results, I propose to directly change the parameter in the XCP-ng distribution RPM.

olivierlambert

Your package is experimental, so feel free to add the modification inside it

borzel

@nraynaud said in Testing ZFS with XCP-ng:

If other people can reproduce my results

with the change in /etc/sparse_dd.conf I can copy my VMs from:

EXT3 -> ZFS
ZFS -> ZFS
ZFS -> EXT3

Yeha!

Thanks for your work!

By the way, my XCP-ng replication host at work is working just fine with ZFS-SR. All stable like ZFS should be.

olivierlambert

Yay!! Thanks for testing

eexodus

I have a clean install of 7.5 and I'm following the guide on the wiki but can't install zfs-test or enable the zfs module:

[root@xcp-ng-endlqfgb ~]# yum install --enablerepo="xcp-ng-extras" zfs-test
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package zfs-test.x86_64 0:0.7.9-1.el7.centos will be installed
--> Processing Dependency: lsscsi for package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: ksh for package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: fio for package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64
--> Processing Dependency: rng-tools for package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64 (xcp-ng-extras)
           Requires: fio
Error: Package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64 (xcp-ng-extras)
           Requires: lsscsi
Error: Package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64 (xcp-ng-extras)
           Requires: rng-tools
Error: Package: zfs-test-0.7.9-1.el7.centos.x86_64 (xcp-ng-extras)
           Requires: ksh
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
[root@xcp-ng-endlqfgb ~]# zpool create tank /dev/sdb
The ZFS modules are not loaded.
Try running '/sbin/modprobe zfs' as root to load them.
[root@xcp-ng-endlqfgb ~]# /sbin/modprobe zfs
modprobe: FATAL: Module zfs not found.
[root@xcp-ng-endlqfgb ~]#

olivierlambert

@stormi this is for you

stormi

I knew we shouldn't have released on a Friday just before my holidays

XCP-ng community, note that I do that for you!

To answer the question, the zfs-tests package is not strictly needed so let's not install it (it pulls too many dependencies that we would have to add. We can consider making it installable later.). We forgot to add some steps in the procedure. We have updated it now.

If you run:
depmod -a

Then you should be able to run
modprobe zfs

This should bring you at least a step further.

borzel

@eexodus If it's not working, we can chat to troubleshoot your issue

stormi

@borzel It would be nice also to improve https://github.com/xcp-ng/xcp/wiki/ZFS-on-XCP-ng-7.5-and-later because I wrote it and I never used zfs!

eexodus

@stormi @borzel Thank you. I was able to create the zpool with those two extra commands. I then created a dataset and created a type=file and device-config:location SR. I realize ZFS is still a new feature, but is that the recommended way? I'm completely new to Xen so I am not familiar with creating SRs.

[root@xcp-ng-miqfcsgc] depmod -a
[root@xcp-ng-miqfcsgc] modprobe zfs
[root@xcp-ng-miqfcsgc] zpool create -f tank /dev/sda
[root@xcp-ng-miqfcsgc] zfs create tank/sr
[root@xcp-ng-miqfcsgc] xe sr-create host-uuid=MY_UUID name-label=zfs-sr type=file other-config:o_direct=false device-config:location=/tank/sr/zfs-sr

borzel

@eexodus said in Testing ZFS with XCP-ng:

zpool create -f tank /dev/sda

If you have 4k disks (aka Advanced Format) use ashift=12

zpool create -o ashift=12 -f tank /dev/sda

I would say, for the first testing, please use:

zfs set sync=disabled tank
zfs set compress=lz4 tank
zfs set atime=off tank

pool/discs can be live monitored with

zpool iostat -v 1

AllooTikeeChaat

@borzel Not sure if this thread is the right place to ask .. but whats the min and recommended requirements to test ZFS ?

olivierlambert

Well, depends on the level of perfs you want to achieve. A lot of RAM is the key.

borzel

@olivierlambert said in Testing ZFS with XCP-ng:

A lot of RAM is the key.

And if you want more performance, add more RAM

borzel

@stormi said in Testing ZFS with XCP-ng:

@borzel It would be nice also to improve https://github.com/xcp-ng/xcp/wiki/ZFS-on-XCP-ng-7.5-and-later because I wrote it and I never used zfs!

I have no write permissions

borzel

Good ressource with a lot of information, how to really use ZFS, build storages, tuning, etc.: https://www.zfsbuild.com

buzzzo

Zfs is a local sr and imho does not add too much advantages vs classic ext sr

The real value of zfs is to use built in replication to remote zfs system.
Proxmox has built a very interesting solutions around it: async replication of vm on a another node.

I know xoa already offer a similar solution but is snapshot based and everyone knows the performance and size problem with this approach.

borzel

@buzzzo said in Testing ZFS with XCP-ng:

Zfs is a local sr and imho does not add too much advantages vs classic ext sr

meeeep

ZFS uses (in standard configuration) half the RAM as read cache
with sync=disabled your writes are faster (but synced to discs every 5 seconds; in one sequential batch - efficient use of slow spinning drives!)
it has checksums from fs-layer down to the device
it's awesome

know xoa already offer a similar solution but is snapshot based and everyone knows the performance and size problem with this approach.

If we all had 48 hours a day and more people in the team, we could fully integrate ZFS into XCP-ng (with all bells and whistles). But for now we are happy to have the first step done - loose integrate ZFS to start using it and testing stability of the dom0 with ZFS in it.

olivierlambert

@buzzzo Double meeeep

On file level SR (ext, NFS, local ZFS, XOSAN), there is no space issue doing snapshots. Also, perfs are good even with snapshots if you don't have an asthmatic SR.

buzzzo

@olivierlambert meeep!!!