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      bishoptf @flakpyro
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      @flakpyro said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:

      Vmware Education pricing back before Broadcom was insanely good. We are getting an Edu discount from Vates as well but its still more expensive than pre Broadcom VMware was. At the same time it's much cheaper than Broadcom owned VMware 🙂

      Yup for essentials my pricing was like $45/year, lol. Veeam also has really good non profit pricing, even Microsoft does now. Broadcom has decided to just go for as much money as it can, really dumb move inmho but seems to be there charter in life...I really think xcp-ng would be a good fit especially if Veeam starts to officially support it. Still kind of having to wait on that also, but I will reach out to Vates and see what they say.

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        Greg_E @bishoptf
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        @bishoptf

        We have a group of colleges together, and they got the price down to $120 per core for VCF, there are no other levels to buy.

        And for the small system that we have, Vates would not be a huge amount less, only a couple thousand a year less which doesn't really push to find a different solution. But again I have not looked into education discounts yet so if that cuts the price in half, then it would be substantial enough that they might think about changing. We also pay for Dell vxrail, not sure how much that costs, but allows us to not employ a person to handle the cluster.

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          DustinB @bishoptf
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          @bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:

          Veeam starts to officially support it.

          Veeam works inside of the VM as well, if you wanted a toolless backup solution you'd just use Xen Orchestra. . . I don't understand this fundamental lack of understanding that is happening in this topic....

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            DustinB @bishoptf
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            @bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:

            Yup for essentials my pricing was like $45/year, lol.

            You were paying $45 a year to use the software.... literally nothing else, you got zero support with that $45 a year...

            You can and many people do use XCP-ng and XOCE for $0/year forever and have saved that much money, and have been given access to the community for free, where the developers will respond if they have time.

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              bishoptf @DustinB
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              @DustinB I fully well understand how veeam works, I would prefer not to have to load the agents in every vm...I understand what my options are, just looking for what makes the most sense moving forward for the long term.

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                bishoptf @DustinB
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                @DustinB Nope that was a fully supported license including support...I could open tickets and maybe the response would have been slow but it was a fully supported instance.

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                  DustinB @bishoptf
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                  @bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:

                  @DustinB Nope that was a fully supported license including support...I could open tickets and maybe the response would have been slow but it was a fully supported instance.

                  Were you using version 4 of the software? Like, there is no way VMWare ever sold a license with support for $45/year within the past 15 years....

                  I've worked with some very large non-profits and their pricing was higher than that for modern versions of ESXi.

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                    bishoptf @DustinB
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                    @DustinB Running latest version 8....they did things way differently, it was by # of cores and I my licenses were for 3 hosts of 6 cores or less...vmware.png

                    Is what it is but it was very cheap and direct from VMware. Essentials did not include vmotion etc, it was a lot more expensive this was just the basic software for three nodes and Vcenter.

                    Is what it is now....

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                      DustinB @bishoptf
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                      @bishoptf I would be very interested to read the T&C's on that agreement, cause it's sus AF.

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                        bishoptf @DustinB
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                        @DustinB Been using it since 2012, non-profits fell under the academic tier and it was originally by number of cpu which was 2 cpu per host, under 192G ram but again didnt include vmotion etc, just plain ole esxi why I used Veeam since it brought replication into the mix again still using them at a very low cost. They had essentials and essentials plus and the academic pricing was very low, my understanding is they would rather you use VMware vs something else. Again I have receipts going back to 2012, pretty much same price for all these years until Broadcom entered the picture. There was nothing sus about it, you had to verify your non-profit category and fit within the limts, it was pretty standard pricing for a low number of cores, I could go to CDW or any reseller and get the same pricing. Why you have so many small companies jumping ship many were using vmware essentials which was WAY cheaper then what they are doing now which the only option is Standard and it now requires min of 16 cores per host @$50/core. That is the new and wonderful world of Broadcom...

                        Anyway, this was pretty common stuff under VMware, why so many folks were using it, even the small shops.

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