Accedentally set up a pool on an xcp-ng server
That's exactly the problem of XCP-ng Center: it's confusing. That's also the reason we really want people to dump it (see https://xcp-ng.org/docs/management.html it's only community maintained)
@olivierlambert OK oliver, I pretty much only use XO. But it happens that I log on using XCP-ng Center from time to time, mainly if I want to see if there is some feature that is not in XO.
So you are saying I can pretty much ignore this unusual look of my xcp-ng-3 server?
It's fine. The only confusing thing is coming from XCP-ng Center. You can rename the pool if you like (regardless where, could be done in XCP-ng Center or XO, or even
Oh no, I really like it coming from XEN.
it should always be there....
Thanks for clarifying
Just for absolute clarification:
- When a server is added in XCP-ng Center or Citrix XenCenter, it IS stand alone, we have many of these in production - not a problem.
- You have to create a pool or add it to an existing pool, to make it a member, so the xcp-.ng-3 is no longer a stand alone server, it is the master of a pool called xcp-ng-3 - not a problem.
- To remove it from the pool again - BIG problem, because you can not remove the master from a pool. You can destroy the pool by "hacking" and you will loose all VM's on local storage ! - BAD IDEA
- Leaving it as is looks a little strange, but has absolutely NO impact on the servers functionallity or reliabillity.
- So either "backup VM, reinstall server, do not create a pool and restore vm" OR Just live with it as is
@dannierothmann This is not entirely accurate. As we said earlier, any host, right from the start, is always included in a pool of its own. Just run
xe pool-liston it and you'll see. But XCP-ng Center apparently hides this fact so that you'd see it as a standalone host, unless you tell it "I want a pool".
You could check in XO, which reflects the exact state of things in the XAPI database: any host belongs to a pool. Always.
Ok, I stand corrected, but then its not only a XCP/Xencenter issue. xsconsole also clearly differentiates between being member of a pool or not ? I know that there is always a "master", but either of a stand alone server or of a pool.
I actually think that this is one of these situations that totally frustrates a trainer, where what the trainer see in all official training materials (Citrix) and what you actually see in the source code.
@stormi you know the code far better than me, so when you say it
- I will rephrase:
Even though it looks like there is a difference in both XCP/Xencenter and xsconsole, there is actually no difference in the actual system behind the interfaces.
- As long as you work with XCP/XS consoles, my previous comment is what you see and experience when using these unsupported tools !
- If you use the servers for production, there is only ONE tool you can rely on .... Xen Orchestra .... (and the support is outstanding)
- I will rephrase:
@dannierothmann About xsconsole (which is supported), where do you see a difference between "in a pool" and "not in a pool"?
Single server (New pool created):
Thanks. So there must be a difference somewhere in database or on the host itself. I suspect the only goal behind this was to make believe the host isn't in a pool in order to not confuse users who'd expect that no pool exists when there's only one host... And the result is it's still confusing because now we can have two different setups that are completely identical except that one claims there's no pool and the other says there is
masterin both cases? That's what I see here.
I agree, confusing.
- Would be easier the Starwars way:
"Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and a pool"
- Would be easier the Starwars way:
There's no diff. It's just that if you pool doesn't have a namelabel, XenCenter and xsconsole will detect that and tell you it's not in a pool. It's just a plain lie.
@olivierlambert Interesting is it possible to simply remove the namelabel. I know it does not matter but I think it is nice to do the same on all hosts
@jensolsson-se I'd try with
xe pool-param-set [...]. Find the appropriate param name with
xe pool-param-list. Disclaimer: I did not check if it's possible.
@stormi Thanks, it was easily solved and now there is no extra step in XCP-ng center
[16:57 xcp-ng-btdjnqqd ~]# xe pool-list uuid ( RO) : 1f12bb2e-3138-36fd-bfc7-a572186271cf name-label ( RW): xcp-ng-3 name-description ( RW): master ( RO): 08a4a440-3c00-4d5e-af8c-46dd412a32cc default-SR ( RW): e5b243b2-28ba-31e8-6c8c-c0ab5e9d1c23 [16:57 xcp-ng-btdjnqqd ~]# xe pool-param-set Required parameter not found: uuid For usage run: 'xe help' [16:58 xcp-ng-btdjnqqd ~]# xe pool-param-set uuid=1f12bb2e-3138-36fd-bfc7-a572186271cf name-label= [16:58 xcp-ng-btdjnqqd ~]# xe pool-list uuid ( RO) : 1f12bb2e-3138-36fd-bfc7-a572186271cf name-label ( RW): name-description ( RW): master ( RO): 08a4a440-3c00-4d5e-af8c-46dd412a32cc default-SR ( RW): e5b243b2-28ba-31e8-6c8c-c0ab5e9d1c23 [16:58 xcp-ng-btdjnqqd ~]#
I wonder why it has named itself xcp-ng-btdjnqqd when I set its name to xcp-ng-3. Everything in XCP-ng center and in XO sais xcp-ng-3 but not in the command prompt.
Is seems like the "name" xcp-ng-btdjnqqd is the autogenerated name suggested during installation.
This becomes the "name" of the server, but there is also a "name-label", which is what you see in most places of both the XCP-ng center and XO.
If you look in xsconsole, you will most likely see this "name" i the top right corner of the screen.
When you change network settings it asks if you want to push the name set to DNS or XCP (can't remember they direction), anyway this is your host DNS, when you set the network management in xsconsole you can get it renamed and then match the XCP name.
Just FYI guys, XenCenter/XCP-ng Center have the menu option Pool > Make into standalone server. As pointed out by other members, every standalone host is in a pool, but that option reverts to an "implicit" one.
Hope this helps.