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    • L Offline
      Louis @stormi
      last edited by

      @stormi

      The latest versions tend to have fixes, security updates and probably added features. For those reasons I always prefer to use the latest versions the more at the moment I start a new system.

      So, I am not saying 8.2 is bad / not ok, but on the other hand I am surprised to see that 8.2.1 is over a year old. And at the same time I note that there is a xen-server release november 2022.

      I assume that XCP-ng is based on xen-server. But on which version !??

      Of course there have been security updates, but never the less. But I have no idea what has changed since the original 8.2.1 release. As far as I am aware there is no change log.

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      • olivierlambertO Offline
        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
        last edited by olivierlambert

        The latest versions tend to have fixes, security updates

        Not true. All security fixes are backported. Do you really think we'll leave an LTS version of XCP-ng without any security fix since 2020?

        Probably added features

        Which features in Xen 4.17 you need you don't have in 4.13?

        I am surprised to see that 8.2.1 is over a year old

        This is not a toy project but a serious distro meant to run in a stable fashion in datacenters, at scale. Especially as an LTS version, that is expect to be maintained between 5 and 10 years.

        I assume that XCP-ng is based on xen-server. But on which version !??

        It's XenServer. Take a guess, XCP-ng 8.2 is based on which XenServer edition?

        Of course there have been security updates, but never the less.

        Never the less? That's the most important thing, to backport the sec patches.

        As far as I am aware there is no change log.

        You should really look at the documentation. Each XCP-ng release is covered by a change log, and each update is also documented with at least a dedicated blog post. You can start here: https://docs.xcp-ng.org/releases/ (to read what's an LTS and why we don't add features in an LTS) and there: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/ for all the blog posts on our almost monthly updates.

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          Louis @stormi
          last edited by

          @stormi

          Yep I agree that security fixes are the most important ones. And I know that security patches are provided (as I wrote in my mail).

          Since I am new to XCP-ng, and I did not study the changes related to 8.3, I do not know the improvements, but I assume there are!

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          • olivierlambertO Offline
            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
            last edited by olivierlambert

            As I said previously, you should really take a look at the doc and the blog...

            https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2022/11/18/xcp-ng-8-3-alpha/

            And posted very recently: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2023/02/27/news-about-8-3-alpha/

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              Louis @stormi
              last edited by

              @stormi

              Olivier thanks for the links. But it only confirms my idea that I should go for the latest releases as far as possible!

              • IPV6 support is important to me (should work!)
              • all security fixes (not only the most important ones)
              • better hardware support ( I do have e.g. 2.5 g interfaces)
              • newer python
              • better update management
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              • olivierlambertO Offline
                olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                last edited by olivierlambert

                You should really start to work on 8.2 LTS first and see what you really need in real life. If it's not enterprise production, then go for 8.3.

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                • ajpri1998A Offline
                  ajpri1998
                  last edited by

                  @Louis
                  XCP-ng gets security updates about monthly. @Andrew also has custom isos that already have the 2.5GBe drivers included.

                  XCP-ng/XO are well maintained projects.

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                    rRobbie
                    last edited by

                    Summary: upgrade from 8.3alpha to 8.3alpha2 broke my installation.

                    Yesterday I tried to upgrade my Intel NUC11 from the original 8.3alpha (very stable so far) to the 8.3alpha2.

                    The upgrade process concluded without errors, however upon restart while the host was accessible via SSH, all the rest disappeared (no XOALite, no VM and obviously no XOA).

                    I tried to list the vm with "xe vm-list" resulting in "Error: Connection refused (calling connect)". Then I tried to restart with "xe-toolstack-restart" but without success.

                    Right now using the installer I reverted to previous installation... indeed a useful function πŸ™‚

                    Your insights is welcome, I can make any test you might be interested in.

                    Thanks

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                      RaHu @olivierlambert
                      last edited by

                      @olivierlambert

                      Hi There,
                      Just to mention, my personal hopes are for the future, that whatever kernel will be used, RPM packages will still be supported to install.

                      Usecase:
                      I am using Dell / Quest DR-Appliances for Backups. They've implemented RapidCIFS and RapidNFS in order to do kind of CBT enhancement on these protocols. So when backing up - only delta is copied.

                      However, as usual, they provide this driver officially only for Windows and RHEL. Therefore I could install the RPM on the XCP-Hosts, and benefit from this. It's running amazingliy smooth.

                      I would assume that there might be more of such use cases, and keeping support for RHEL packages could be wise in oder to keep a foot into the "enterprise door".

                      Thanks, for your work!

                      Regards,
                      RaHu

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                      • olivierlambertO Offline
                        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                        last edited by

                        Thanks for your feedback @RaHu

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                        • olivierlambertO Offline
                          olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO @rRobbie
                          last edited by

                          @rRobbie I'm not sure it was even guarantee in the first place. Asking @stormi

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                            rRobbie @olivierlambert
                            last edited by rRobbie

                            @olivierlambert

                            Thank you, appreciated 😊

                            I followed - maybe bluntly - this reassuring sentence but I guess it meant from 8.2!

                            Screenshot from 2023-02-28 09-48-32.png

                            https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2022/11/18/xcp-ng-8-3-alpha/

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                            • stormiS Offline
                              stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team @rRobbie
                              last edited by

                              @rRobbie Yes, it meant from 8.2 πŸ™‚

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                              • stormiS Offline
                                stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team @gskger
                                last edited by stormi

                                @gskger Thanks! For shorter logs, could you run ./xtf-runner -aqq --host rather than ./xtf-runner -aq --host in the future? We don't need the full list of successful tests. Only skipped and failed ones.

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                                • gskgerG Offline
                                  gskger Top contributor @stormi
                                  last edited by

                                  @stormi Of course! Picked up that habit from other posts. Should I correct my post to improve readability?

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                                  • stormiS Offline
                                    stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team @gskger
                                    last edited by

                                    @gskger No, only future ones πŸ™‚

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                                    • theAeonT Offline
                                      theAeon
                                      last edited by theAeon

                                      root@lenovo150
                                      --------------
                                      OS: XCP-ng release 8.2.1 (xenenterprise) x86_64
                                      Host: ThinkServer TS150 70LUS00C00
                                      Kernel: 4.19.0+1
                                      Uptime: 7 mins
                                      Packages: 551 (rpm)
                                      Shell: bash 4.2.46
                                      Terminal: /dev/pts/13
                                      CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1275 v5 (8) @ 3.600GHz
                                      GPU: Intel HD Graphics P530
                                      Memory: 560MiB / 2498MiB
                                      

                                      note: only on 8.2.1 because I don't feel like even potentially breaking anything right now out of sheer laziness but its been rock solid so far

                                      [19:51 lenovo150 xtf]# ./xtf-runner selftest -q --host
                                      Combined test results:
                                      test-hvm32-selftest                      SUCCESS
                                      test-hvm32pae-selftest                   SUCCESS
                                      test-hvm32pse-selftest                   SUCCESS
                                      test-hvm64-selftest                      SUCCESS
                                      test-pv64-selftest                       SUCCESS
                                      

                                      and

                                      [19:52 lenovo150 xtf]# ./xtf-runner -aqq --host
                                      Combined test results:
                                      test-hvm32-umip                          SKIP
                                      test-hvm64-umip                          SKIP
                                      test-pv64-xsa-167                        SKIP
                                      test-pv64-xsa-182                        SKIP
                                      

                                      and of course

                                      [20:00 lenovo150 ~]# /usr/libexec/xen/bin/test-cpu-policy
                                      CPU Policy unit tests
                                      Testing CPU vendor identification:
                                      Testing CPUID serialise success:
                                      Testing CPUID deserialise failure:
                                      Testing CPUID out-of-range clearing:
                                      Testing MSR serialise success:
                                      Testing MSR deserialise failure:
                                      Testing policy compatibility success:
                                      Testing policy compatibility failure:
                                      
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                                      • ajpri1998A Offline
                                        ajpri1998
                                        last edited by

                                        I have a minor feature request…
                                        Can we get the xen-cmdline (/opt/xensource/libexec/xen-cmdline) added to the default PATH? I don’t use it too often but having it would save me a google remembering? I’ve also added to my bashrc with the name xcl.

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                                        • gskgerG Offline
                                          gskger Top contributor @stormi
                                          last edited by

                                          @stormi
                                          Probably more a fun test than a real world test. I installed XCP-ng 8.3 alpha2 run on a

                                          HP T620 PLUS Thin Client
                                          AMD GX-420CA @ 2GHz low power APU SoC (Jaguar)
                                          16 GB RAM

                                          According to Art of Server on Youtube, this Thin Client supports up to 32GB RAM. It idles around 14-17W with XCP-ng and one Debian VM running. It also features a low profile PCI-e slot that I use with a Intel Pro / 1000 PT quad port LP card.

                                          [21:58 xcp83 xtf]# ./xtf-runner selftest -q --host
                                          Combined test results:
                                          test-hvm32-selftest                      SUCCESS
                                          test-hvm32pae-selftest                   SUCCESS
                                          test-hvm32pse-selftest                   SUCCESS
                                          test-hvm64-selftest                      SUCCESS
                                          test-pv64-selftest                       SUCCESS
                                          
                                          
                                          [21:58 xcp83 xtf]# ./xtf-runner -aqq --host
                                          Combined test results:
                                          test-pv64-cpuid-faulting                 SKIP
                                          test-pv64-pv-fsgsbase                    SKIP
                                          test-hvm32-umip                          SKIP
                                          test-hvm64-umip                          SKIP
                                          test-pv64-xsa-167                        SKIP
                                          test-pv64-xsa-182                        SKIP
                                          [21:59 xcp83 xtf]# echo $?
                                          3
                                          
                                          
                                          [21:59 xcp83 xtf]# /usr/libexec/xen/bin/test-cpu-policy
                                          CPU Policy unit tests
                                          Testing CPU vendor identification:
                                          Testing CPUID serialise success:
                                          Testing CPUID deserialise failure:
                                          Testing CPUID out-of-range clearing:
                                          Testing MSR serialise success:
                                          Testing MSR deserialise failure:
                                          Testing policy compatibility success:
                                          Testing policy compatibility failure:
                                          Done: all ok
                                          [22:00 xcp83 xtf]# echo $?
                                          0
                                          
                                          
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                                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                                            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                            last edited by

                                            Haha that's an interesting little machine, indeed πŸ˜„

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