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    High Fan Speed Issue on Lenovo ThinkSystem Servers

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    • RIX_ITR Offline
      RIX_IT @LennertvdBerg
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      @LennertvdBerg As mentioned, XCC firmware doesn't seem to change anything regarding the fan speed. So we're sticking with the latest version for now. You could try rolling back to UEFI 1.41 (Build ID: KAE110K) as well and see if it makes a difference.

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      • olivierlambertO Offline
        olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
        last edited by

        Please keep us posted, more details we have, more chances we can find what's missing in XCP-ng to make it work correctly 🙂

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        • bleaderB Offline
          bleader Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
          last edited by bleader

          Could one of you try the kernel-alt package? It is not meant for production as it is not fully tested and supported, but if a higher patch level of the 4.19 helps, it could give us more idea of what's happening.

          EDIT: it should be updated to a new patch level soon-ish, so if current one does not fix, we should soon have another shot with a more recent update.

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            LennertvdBerg @bleader
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            @bleader ; do you have somewhere the instructions how to do this procedure?

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            • gduperreyG Offline
              gduperrey Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team
              last edited by

              You can find information about kernel-alt here: https://docs.xcp-ng.org/installation/hardware/#-alternate-kernel

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              • RIX_ITR Offline
                RIX_IT @bleader
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                @bleader

                Just did that on 8.2 (kernel-alt.x86_64 0:4.19.265-1.xcpng8.2), not the testing one yet.

                Got a few errors on startup, not related afaik, but still fyi:
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                That didn't make a difference as it seems:
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                I'm on UEFI 1.41, could try the most recent somewhat later once people leave their offices.

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                  LennertvdBerg @gduperrey
                  last edited by LennertvdBerg

                  @gduperrey said in High Fan Speed Issue on Lenovo ThinkSystem Servers:

                  https://docs.xcp-ng.org/installation/hardware/#-alternate-kernel

                  I tried installing the kernel-alt using

                  yum install kernel-alt
                  

                  However I receive the following error;

                  python: can't open file '/opt/xensource/bin/updategrub.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
                  warning: %postun(kernel-alt-4.19.227-5.xcpng8.3.x86_64) scriptlet failed, exit status 2
                  

                  kernel-alt failure.png

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                    rmaclachlan @RIX_IT
                    last edited by

                    @RIX_IT I tried kernel-alt before rolling back the uefi and it didn't help. Also tried the new Xen beta stormi posted (4.19 was it?) in case something was added but that didn't fix it either.

                    Thanks for trying the new Lenovo fw - I saw it come out and was going to test when I had time but now I don't need to!

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                    • GheppyG Offline
                      Gheppy
                      last edited by

                      Did it come fully equipped?
                      Did you install Lenovo signed HDD in it? Or you have compatibles HDD.
                      If you have compatibility, try to put a HDD with (original) Lenovo firmware.
                      I had the same problem with an Lenovo ThinkSystem SR630, I had installed a Lenovo non-firmware HDD, all of them. I bought one with Lenovo firmware, I installed and the problem disappeared.

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                        rmaclachlan @Gheppy
                        last edited by

                        @Gheppy Our SR635v3 are running factory installed Lenovo hardware, although I did test swapping out the Broadcom 57504 OCP NIC with Intel X710 but the fan issue persisted. Thanks for the suggestion!

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                          LennertvdBerg @Gheppy
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                          @Gheppy I just installed Ubuntu 22.044 LTS with kernel 5.15.0-102-generic just to test if there could be anything like a 'vendor lock'. Using Ubuntu I just see my memory temperatures and all my fan speeds are around 6000 rpm. So it really seems to be something with XCP and Lenovo.

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                          • GheppyG Offline
                            Gheppy
                            last edited by Gheppy

                            Try to install lm-sensors and see what it detects.
                            It seems to me that the kernel it does not have drivers for IPMI BMC KCS.
                            My fans have 8000 - 8100 rpm

                            yum -y install lm_sensors
                            sensors -v
                            sensors-detect
                            sensors
                            
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                              LennertvdBerg @Gheppy
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                              @Gheppy I've just reinstalled xcp-ng-8.3.0-beta2 after my Ubuntu experiment and installed lm_sensors. The output is indeed:

                              Driver `to-be-written':
                                * ISA bus, address 0xcc0
                                  Chip `IPMI BMC KCS' (confidence: 8)
                              
                              Note: there is no driver for IPMI BMC KCS yet.
                              Check http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices for updates.
                              
                              No modules to load, skipping modules configuration.
                              
                              Unloading i2c-dev... OK
                              Unloading cpuid... OK
                              

                              The complete output is:
                              Screenshot 2024-04-09 at 11.57.06.png
                              Screenshot 2024-04-09 at 11.57.21.png

                              What will be the solution for this?

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                              • GheppyG Offline
                                Gheppy
                                last edited by

                                We need to talk to the XCP-ng team and see if they can provide the module for the xen kernel.

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                                  LennertvdBerg @olivierlambert
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                                  @olivierlambert can you help us with providing the module for the xen kernel, which @Gheppy is talking about?

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                                    rmaclachlan @LennertvdBerg
                                    last edited by rmaclachlan

                                    @LennertvdBerg The above message is indicating there is no driver written for IPMI BMC KCS for the LM_Sensors application, not that a kernel module is missing in XCPNG.

                                    You can read more about this on the lm_sensors github issue https://github.com/lm-sensors/lm-sensors/issues/69

                                    If you wish to view sensor data in XPCNG you can do so through IPMI still using ipmitool

                                    ipmitool sensor
                                    

                                    This will list the sensors in the server.

                                    DIMM 1           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 1 Temp      | na         | degrees C  | na    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 2           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 2 Temp      | 23.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 3           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 3 Temp      | na         | degrees C  | na    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 4           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 4 Temp      | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 5           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 5 Temp      | 26.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 6           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 6 Temp      | 26.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 7           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 7 Temp      | 26.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 8           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 8 Temp      | 26.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 9           | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 9 Temp      | 25.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 10          | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x0080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 10 Temp     | na         | degrees C  | na    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    DIMM 11          | 0x0        | discrete   | 0x4080| na        | na        | na        | na        | na        | na
                                    DIMM 11 Temp     | 24.000     | degrees C  | ok    | na        | na        | na        | 85.000    | 87.000    | 91.000
                                    

                                    The issue is when upgrading the UEFI we start seeing the sensor data read NA for the RAM modules which spins up the fans on the server, I don't know how to determine what on the OS is causing that but it sounds like something is trying to read that information and is locking up the sensor.

                                    deric created this issue in lm-sensors/lm-sensors

                                    closed Driver for IPMI BMC KCS #69

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                                      LennertvdBerg @rmaclachlan
                                      last edited by LennertvdBerg

                                      @rmaclachlan Thanks. I'm also unsure how we can determine what in the OS is causing this issue. Are there other installations or modifications we could try to help isolate the problem, such as another Linux distribution with the same kernel, to see if it's a kernel-related issue? @gduperrey or @olivierlambert any suggestions how we can help the team with identifying this?

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                                      • olivierlambertO Offline
                                        olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                                        last edited by

                                        I have no idea, sorry. Hopefully someone could tell us what we need to add in XCP-ng to fix it.

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                                          ThierryEscande Vates 🪐 XCP-ng Team @LennertvdBerg
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                                          @LennertvdBerg To verify that the IPMI drivers are not messing up with the firmware, you could try to blacklist the IPMI modules.
                                          Create the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipmi.conf containing the following and reboot

                                          blacklist ipmi_si
                                          blacklist ipmi_devintf
                                          blacklist ipmi_msghandler
                                          

                                          Actually add a line for whatever modules the command lsmod | grep ipmi gives you

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                                            LennertvdBerg @ThierryEscande
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                                            @ThierryEscande . When I do lsmod | grep ipmiI get the following results

                                            ipmi_si                65536  0 
                                            ipmi_devintf           20480  0 
                                            ipmi_msghandler        61440  2 ipmi_devintf,ipmi_si
                                            

                                            So, I created the file with vi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipmi.conf and added the following:

                                            blacklist ipmi_si
                                            blacklist ipmi_devintf
                                            blacklist ipmi_msghandler
                                            

                                            I saved the file and rebooted the system using shutdown -r now. However, I still don't see the memory temperatures in Xclarity, and the server's fans are still running at over 13,000 RPM. The system is running XCP-NG 8.3 beta 2 with kernel 4.19.0+1.

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