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      Pilow @acebmxer
      last edited by

      @acebmxer so, NBD it was...

      holy molly, you have some good network performance !
      what kind of SR at source ? and remote at destination ?
      what about the PIFs ?

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        acebmxer @Pilow
        last edited by acebmxer

        @Pilow

        Just a little old truenas running on AMD 5900x with 10 Gic nics bound, Unifi Agg switch with 10gb links to hosts.

        Storage 5 8tb tohisba drives and two 1tb nvme drives 1 for cache 1 for log vdev.

        Backup device is a DS1819+ with 4 12 tb seagate exo drives with 10gb link.

        Screenshot 2026-04-17 122521.png

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          Pilow @acebmxer
          last edited by Pilow

          @acebmxer NFS remotes on the DS1819+ ?

          we have iSCSI SR (25Gb mellanox 6 PIFs on hosts to 25Gb MSA2062 SAN dual controller)
          our remotes are iSCSI os mounted volumes on MSA SANs, presented as S3 (minio VMs)
          using XO PROXIES to offload backups from XOA

          we max out a 150/200Mb/s during backups 😕

          but we are on VHD VDIs, asking myself if the added backup performance you present could be due to QCOW2 format on source SR ?
          will have to try VDIs on such SR to see the diff

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            acebmxer @Pilow
            last edited by acebmxer

            @Pilow Yes NFS on vm storage and on backup storage.

            All vms are now on qcow2 except for the windows vm what was vhd. However i just mirgrated it over to qcow2. the Nics in all systems are the intel 10gb either x520 or x540

            Edit - Sorry missed your question about performance vhd vers qcow2. I would say its on equal to. I didnt run any benchmarks for comparison. (probably should have) But havent seen any major slowness other then GC issues. (See latest post)

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              acebmxer
              last edited by acebmxer

              So progress bar seems to be working now on exporting. But i am also noticing Garbage collection seems to be running quite often that i feel its slowing down the import for the health check.

              Screenshot_20260418_104201.png

              Screenshot_20260418_104514.png

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                acebmxer
                last edited by acebmxer

                Next thing I am noticing that garbage collection is not able to coalesce vdi to vms that are running. garbage will keep trying to run every 30 - 45 seconds for 30 seconds run time. VDIs to coalesce will keep increasing unless a vm is powered off and given enough time for garbage collection to actually run.

                Because garbage collection is spamming so often importing a vdi for health check will take logger.

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                  acebmxer
                  last edited by acebmxer

                  @florent

                  I disabled CBT on the vms and re-ran a delta backup. I noticed the following.

                  While watching the backup task when it shows [XO] Exporting it will not show the percentage and completion. Watching backup task a vm will show not using NBD at first but using XO and then fail. The backup log will then show vm fell back to full backup and the task will then show that it is using NBD.

                  Screenshot_20260420_002103.png

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                  Also with out CBT GC is not constantly spamming once a vm has finished exporting and started health check. It appears to actually be running and able to coalesce as they are no longer showing in the dashboard / health...

                  delta job with CBT enabled - 2026-04-20T00_43_48.487Z - backup NG.txt

                  CBT disabled delta job. two vms fell back to full - 2026-04-20T03_19_02.894Z - backup NG.txt

                  Next delta job with CBT disabled 1 vm fell back to full - 2026-04-20T04_19_10.531Z - backup NG.txt

                  Screenshot_20260420_001804.png

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                    acebmxer @acebmxer
                    last edited by

                    Ok something is happening. I made no additional changes from last night. Now schedule backup job 1 pm is still going on 2 hours later.

                    Screenshot 2026-04-20 145633.png

                    Think i might revert back to VHD as this has cause so many issues.

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                      florent Vates 🪐 XO Team @acebmxer
                      last edited by

                      @acebmxer do you have something in the xo logs ( journalct probably ) ?

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                        acebmxer @florent
                        last edited by acebmxer

                        @florent said:

                        @acebmxer do you have something in the xo logs ( journalct probably ) ?

                        from host
                        sudo journalctl -u xo-server -n 50
                        -- No entries --

                        From XO - Currently on fbba0 commit (4 behind)

                        Apr 20 15:21:51 xo-ce xo-server[849]:   }
Apr 20 15:21:51 xo-ce xo-server[849]: }
Apr 20 15:22:35 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T19:22:35.554Z xo:main INFO + Console proxy ( - 127.0.0.1)
Apr 20 15:22:41 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T19:22:41.365Z xo:main INFO - Console proxy ( - 127.0.0.1)
Apr 20 15:22:55 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T19:22:55.223Z xo:main INFO + Console proxy ( - 127.0.0.1)
Apr 20 15:23:04 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T19:23:04.562Z xo:main INFO - Console proxy ( - 127.0.0.1)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: (node:849) MaxListenersExceededWarning: Possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 update list>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T20:11:49.190Z xo:xo-server WARN Node warning {
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:   error: MaxListenersExceededWarning: Possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 update listen>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at genericNodeError (node:internal/errors:985:15)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at wrappedFn (node:internal/errors:539:14)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at _addListener (node:events:590:17)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at Tasks.addListener (node:events:608:10)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at TaskController.getTasks (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/rest-api/dist/tasks/tas>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at ExpressTemplateService.buildPromise (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/@tsoa/runtime/src/ro>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at ExpressTemplateService.apiHandler (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/@tsoa/runtime/src/rout>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at TaskController_getTasks (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/rest-api/dist/open-api/>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     emitter: Tasks {
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _events: [Object: null prototype],
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _eventsCount: 2,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _maxListeners: undefined,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       Symbol(shapeMode): false,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       Symbol(kCapture): false
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     },
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     type: 'update',
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     count: 11
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:   }
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: }
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: (node:849) MaxListenersExceededWarning: Possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 remove list>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: 2026-04-20T20:11:49.190Z xo:xo-server WARN Node warning {
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:   error: MaxListenersExceededWarning: Possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 remove listen>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at genericNodeError (node:internal/errors:985:15)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at wrappedFn (node:internal/errors:539:14)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at _addListener (node:events:590:17)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at Tasks.addListener (node:events:608:10)
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at TaskController.getTasks (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/rest-api/dist/tasks/tas>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at ExpressTemplateService.buildPromise (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/@tsoa/runtime/src/ro>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at ExpressTemplateService.apiHandler (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/@tsoa/runtime/src/rout>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       at TaskController_getTasks (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/rest-api/dist/open-api/>
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     emitter: Tasks {
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _events: [Object: null prototype],
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _eventsCount: 2,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       _maxListeners: undefined,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       Symbol(shapeMode): false,
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:       Symbol(kCapture): false
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     },
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     type: 'remove',
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:     count: 11
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]:   }
Apr 20 16:11:49 xo-ce xo-server[849]: }
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                          acebmxer
                          last edited by

                          @florent

                          Killed the current tasks. Updated xo to latest commit and start backups again... here are current errors from xo...

                           sudo journalctl -u xo-server -n 50
Apr 20 17:29:54 xo-ce xo-server[3147]:   Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR): true,
Apr 20 17:29:54 xo-ce xo-server[3147]:   Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR_SOCKET): true
Apr 20 17:29:54 xo-ce xo-server[3147]: }
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: 2026-04-20T21:30:29.390Z xo:xapi:vdi INFO  OpaqueRef:4efd6d02-6c4d-26f8-7ed5-1b9b34daa89d has been disconnected from dom0>
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   vdiRef: 'OpaqueRef:ce354818-4cf0-2ac3-8156-3d7118548ecd',
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   vbdRef: 'OpaqueRef:4efd6d02-6c4d-26f8-7ed5-1b9b34daa89d'
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: }
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: 2026-04-20T21:30:29.392Z xo:xapi:xapi-disks WARN Either transmit the source to the constructor or implement openSource an>
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   error: Error: Either transmit the source to the constructor or implement openSource and call init
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at get source (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:53:19)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiQcow2StreamSource.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:86>
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiQcow2StreamSource.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/XapiQcow2StreamSource.mjs:61:18)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at #openExportStream (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/Xapi.mjs:189:21)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:104:5)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async #openNbdStream (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/Xapi.mjs:97:22)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async XapiDiskSource.openSource (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/Xapi.mjs:258:18)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async XapiDiskSource.init (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:28:4>
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/backups/_incrementalVm.mjs:66:5
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async Promise.all (index 0)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: }
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: 2026-04-20T21:30:29.392Z xo:xapi:xapi-disks WARN can't compute delta OpaqueRef:ce354818-4cf0-2ac3-8156-3d7118548ecd from >
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   error: BodyTimeoutError: Body Timeout Error
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at FastTimer.onParserTimeout [as _onTimeout] (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/undici/lib/dispatcher/client-h1.js:64>
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at Timeout.onTick [as _onTimeout] (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/undici/lib/util/timers.js:162:13)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at listOnTimeout (node:internal/timers:605:17)
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at process.processTimers (node:internal/timers:541:7) {
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     code: 'UND_ERR_BODY_TIMEOUT',
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR): true,
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR_BODY_TIMEOUT): true
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   }
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: }
Apr 20 17:30:29 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: 2026-04-20T21:30:29.395Z xo:xapi:xapi-disks INFO export through qcow2
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: 2026-04-20T21:30:36.324Z xo:backups:worker ERROR unhandled error event {
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   error: RequestAbortedError [AbortError]: Request aborted
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at BodyReadable.destroy (/opt/xen-orchestra/node_modules/undici/lib/api/readable.js:51:13)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at QcowStream.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/qcow2/dist/disk/QcowStream.mjs:40:22)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiQcow2StreamSource.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:86>
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiQcow2StreamSource.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/XapiQcow2StreamSource.mjs:61:18)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at DiskLargerBlock.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskLargerBlock.mjs:87:28)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at TimeoutDisk.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:34:29)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiStreamNbdSource.close (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/disk-transform/dist/DiskPassthrough.mjs:34:2>
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at XapiStreamNbdSource.init (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/XapiStreamNbd.mjs:66:17)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:104:5)
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:       at async #openNbdStream (file:///opt/xen-orchestra/@xen-orchestra/xapi/disks/Xapi.mjs:108:7) {
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     code: 'UND_ERR_ABORTED',
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR): true,
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR_ABORT): true,
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:     Symbol(undici.error.UND_ERR_ABORTED): true
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]:   }
Apr 20 17:30:36 xo-ce xo-server[3262]: }
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