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    • C Offline
      CJ
      last edited by

      This is odd. It seems to need to get to a certain point before backups start failing. I have the one VM with 3 disks attached to the control, the other two with only one disk each attached, and now a fourth VM with only one disk attached. However, the backup only failed the original three VMs. The backup failed with "VDI_IN_USE(OpaqueRef:UUID, destroy)".

      I've changed the number of NBD connections to 1 so we'll see if that stops the attachment issue.

      There appears to be a problem with the backup report email, however. It states "Success: 0/N" while the actual job report shows that only the three VMs failed and the others succeeded.

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        Andrew Top contributor @CJ
        last edited by

        @olivierlambert @florent @CJ Backups have been much more stable since the latest XO update 10-Sep-2024 (XOA 5.98.1, master commit 4c7acc1).

        Running CR and CBT/NBD of 2 connections does not leave stranded VDIs any more (at least I have not seen any yet).

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          rtjdamen @Andrew
          last edited by

          @Andrew we see the same behavior here, no strange backup issues so far!

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            CJ
            last edited by

            No attached disks so far, but I'll wait until next week to bump up the NBD connections to make sure.

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              CJ
              last edited by

              Unfortunately, as soon as I bumped the NBD connections up to 2 I got an attached disk. It doesn't seem like the latest changes have fixed the issue.

              Xen Orchestra, commit 74e6f

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                Delgado @CJ
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                  rtjdamen
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                  @florent deployed a fix last week that resolved the vdi_in_use errors, however after updating tot the latest XOA release that problem came back and is not resolved anymore. Not shure if this is a new issue or that it is having issues with the fix.

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                    rtjdamen @CJ
                    last edited by

                    @CJ seems like issue with the nbd connections then… hope this is something that can be fixed easy.

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                      flakpyro @flakpyro
                      last edited by flakpyro

                      In relation to the issues i have been seeing about "can't create a stream from a metadata VDI, fall back to a base " after preforming a VM migration from one host to another i notice i also see the following in the SMLog.

                      Note: i also see this in the SMLog on the pool master after a VM migration even if i don't have snapshot delete enabled but simply have NBD + CBT Enabled. However the regular delta backup will proceed anyway and works fine in that case. (With snap delete disabled) With Snap delete i will see "can't create a stream from a metadata VDI, fall back to a base". Running the job again after this will produce no error in SMLog. Only after a VM migration between hosts will this appear.

                      Log snippit:

                      Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] lock: opening lock file /var/lock/sm/afd3edac-3659-4253-8d6e-76062399579c/cbtlog
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] lock: acquired /var/lock/sm/afd3edac-3659-4253-8d6e-76062399579c/cbtlog
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] ['/usr/sbin/cbt-util', 'get', '-n', '/var/run/sr-mount/16e4ecd2-583e-e2a0-5d3d-8e53ae9c1429/afd3edac-3659-4253-8d6e-76062399579c.cbtlog', '-c']
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   pread SUCCESS
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] lock: released /var/lock/sm/afd3edac-3659-4253-8d6e-76062399579c/cbtlog
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] Raising exception [460, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]]
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] ***** generic exception: vdi_list_changed_blocks: EXCEPTION <class 'xs_errors.SROSError'>, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 111, in run
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     return self._run_locked(sr)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 161, in _run_locked
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     rv = self._run(sr, target)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 326, in _run
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     return target.list_changed_blocks()
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/VDI.py", line 757, in list_changed_blocks
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     "Source and target VDI are unrelated")
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] ***** NFS VHD: EXCEPTION <class 'xs_errors.SROSError'>, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 385, in run
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     ret = cmd.run(sr)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 111, in run
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     return self._run_locked(sr)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 161, in _run_locked
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     rv = self._run(sr, target)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/SRCommand.py", line 326, in _run
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     return target.list_changed_blocks()
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]   File "/opt/xensource/sm/VDI.py", line 757, in list_changed_blocks
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]     "Source and target VDI are unrelated")
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578]
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] lock: closed /var/lock/sm/afd3edac-3659-4253-8d6e-76062399579c/cbtlog
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126578] lock: closed /var/lock/sm/16e4ecd2-583e-e2a0-5d3d-8e53ae9c1429/sr
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126556] FileVDI._snapshot for c56e5d87-1486-41da-86d4-92ede62de75a (type 2)
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126556] ['uuidgen', '-r']
Sep 17 21:07:40 xcpng-prd-03 SM: [1126556]   pread SUCCESS
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                      • olivierlambertO Online
                        olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                        last edited by

                        I wonder if the migration is not also migrating the VDI with it, which shouldn't be the case. What are you doing exactly to migrate the VM?

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                          flakpyro @olivierlambert
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                          @olivierlambert Im leaving the VM itself on the shared NFS SR. The above error was triggered by putting a host in maintenance mode via XOA to install the RC2 update via ISO yesterday. Other times its just by checking off a number of VMs in XOA and clicking the migrate button, selecting another host within the same pool and clicking Ok. Everything should be staying on the same shared SR.

                          Its like the hosts can't read each others metadata for some reason?

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                          • olivierlambertO Online
                            olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                            last edited by

                            Can you show me the exact UI steps you do in XO to do the migration? Then, in the task, are you seeing anything outside VM migrate?

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                              Delgado
                              last edited by Delgado

                              I saw these errors in my log today after starting a replication job on commit 530c3. I have not migrated these VMs to a new host or an SR.

                              Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]: 2024-09-18T12:17:12.861Z xo:xapi:vdi INFO can't get changed block {
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:   error: XapiError: SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460(, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs.  [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated], )
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       at XapiError.wrap (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/_XapiError.mjs:16:12)
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       at file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/transports/json-rpc.mjs:38:21
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) {
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     code: 'SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460',
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     params: [
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       '',
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       'Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated], )
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:       ''
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     ],
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     call: { method: 'VDI.list_changed_blocks', params: [Array] },
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     url: undefined,
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:     task: undefined
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:   },
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:   ref: 'OpaqueRef:a7c534ef-d1d5-0578-a564-05b2c36de7be',
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]:   baseRef: 'OpaqueRef:5d4109f0-5278-64d8-233d-6cd73c8c6d6a'
Sep 18 08:17:12  xo-server[6199]: }
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]: 2024-09-18T12:17:14.459Z xo:xapi:vdi INFO can't get changed block {
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:   error: XapiError: SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460(, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated], )
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       at XapiError.wrap (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/_XapiError.mjs:16:12)
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       at file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/transports/json-rpc.mjs:38:21
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) {
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     code: 'SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460',
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     params: [
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       '',
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       'Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]',
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:       ''
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     ],
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     call: { method: 'VDI.list_changed_blocks', params: [Array] },
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     url: undefined,
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:     task: undefined
Sep 18 08:17:14  xo-server[6199]:   },
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                                CJ
                                last edited by

                                After changing NBD back to 1, I haven't seen any additional attached disks. However, the backup that originally succeeded with an attached disk has now failed. Odd that it will initially work with an attached disk but then fail with an attached disk.

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                                • Tristis OrisT Offline
                                  Tristis Oris Top contributor
                                  last edited by

                                  i still have one VMs stuck without backup. Already restart it host and halt VM itself. SMlog have no records during 5minutes of that task.

                                        "result": {
        "code": "VDI_IN_USE",
        "params": [
          "OpaqueRef:1f96d4e7-5ca6-4070-b686-b34dd83e5442",
          "destroy"
        ],
        "task": {
          "uuid": "81a60e3a-c887-13f3-fedc-36eae232a6df",
          "name_label": "Async.VDI.destroy",
          "name_description": "",
          "allowed_operations": [],
          "current_operations": {},
          "created": "20240918T18:03:28Z",
          "finished": "20240918T18:03:28Z",
          "status": "failure",
          "resident_on": "OpaqueRef:223881b6-1309-40e6-9e42-5ad74a274d2d",
          "progress": 1,
          "type": "<none/>",
          "result": "",
          "error_info": [
            "VDI_IN_USE",
            "OpaqueRef:1f96d4e7-5ca6-4070-b686-b34dd83e5442",
            "destroy"
          ],
          "other_config": {},
          "subtask_of": "OpaqueRef:NULL",
          "subtasks": [],
          "backtrace": "(((process xapi)(filename ocaml/xapi/message_forwarding.ml)(line 4711))((process xapi)(filename lib/xapi-stdext-pervasives/pervasiveext.ml)(line 24))((process xapi)(filename ocaml/xapi/rbac.ml)(line 205))((process xapi)(filename ocaml/xapi/server_helpers.ml)(line 95)))"
        },
        "message": "VDI_IN_USE(OpaqueRef:1f96d4e7-5ca6-4070-b686-b34dd83e5442, destroy)",
        "name": "XapiError",
        "stack": "XapiError: VDI_IN_USE(OpaqueRef:1f96d4e7-5ca6-4070-b686-b34dd83e5442, destroy)\n    at XapiError.wrap (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/_XapiError.mjs:16:12)\n    at default (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/_getTaskResult.mjs:13:29)\n    at Xapi._addRecordToCache (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/index.mjs:1041:24)\n    at file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/index.mjs:1075:14\n    at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)\n    at Xapi._processEvents (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/index.mjs:1065:12)\n    at Xapi._watchEvents (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409111040/packages/xen-api/index.mjs:1238:14)\n    at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)"
      }
    },

                                  and often get Job canceled to protect the VDI chain errors for others. That continue since bad CBT commit.

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                                    Delgado
                                    last edited by Delgado

                                    It looks like all of my backups have started erroring with "can't create a stream from a metadata VDI, fall back to a base" I am using 1 NDB connection and I am not commit 530c3. I have attached the logs of a delta backup and a replication.

                                    2024-09-19T16_00_00.002Z - backup NG.json.txt
                                    2024-09-19T04_00_00.001Z - backup NG.json.txt

                                    I am seeing this in the journal logs.

                                    Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:   error: XapiError: SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460(, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated], )
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at XapiError.wrap (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/_XapiError.mjs:16:12)
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/transports/json-rpc.mjs:38:21
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) {
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     code: 'SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460',
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     params: [
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       '',
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       'Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]',
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:       ''
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     ],
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     call: { method: 'VDI.list_changed_blocks', params: [Array] },
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     url: undefined,
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:     task: undefined
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:   },
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:   ref: 'OpaqueRef:0438087b-5cbc-a458-a8a0-4eaa6ce74d19',
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]:   baseRef: 'OpaqueRef:ae1330a2-0f95-6c16-6878-f6c05373a2f2'
Sep 19 12:01:39 hostname xo-server[11597]: }
Sep 19 12:01:43 hostname xo-server[11597]: 2024-09-19T16:01:43.015Z xo:xapi:vdi INFO  OpaqueRef:b6f65ae4-bee8-b179-a06c-2bb4956214ba has been disconnected from dom0 {
Sep 19 12:01:43 hostname xo-server[11597]:   vdiRef: 'OpaqueRef:0438087b-5cbc-a458-a8a0-4eaa6ce74d19',
Sep 19 12:01:43 hostname xo-server[11597]:   vbdRef: 'OpaqueRef:b6f65ae4-bee8-b179-a06c-2bb4956214ba'
Sep 19 12:01:43 hostname xo-server[11597]: }
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]: 2024-09-19T16:02:29.855Z xo:xapi:vdi INFO can't get changed block {
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:   error: XapiError: SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460(, Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated], )
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at XapiError.wrap (file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/_XapiError.mjs:16:12)
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at file:///opt/xo/xo-builds/xen-orchestra-202409180806/packages/xen-api/transports/json-rpc.mjs:38:21
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:       at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5) {
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:     code: 'SR_BACKEND_FAILURE_460',
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:     params: [
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:       '',
Sep 19 12:02:29 hostname xo-server[11597]:       'Failed to calculate changed blocks for given VDIs. [opterr=Source and target VDI are unrelated]',
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                                      rtjdamen @Delgado
                                      last edited by

                                      @Delgado this error sound like issues with the cbt that got invalid, could it be u had a host crash or storage issue? Does a retry create a working full?

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                                        Delgado @rtjdamen
                                        last edited by

                                        @rtjdamen I haven't had any hosts crash recently or any storage issue from what I can tell. The "type" in the log says delta but the size of the backups definitely look like full backups. They're also labelled as key when I look at the restore points for delta backups.

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                                          rtjdamen @Delgado
                                          last edited by

                                          @Delgado i believe this error message is incorrect, it should be something like "CBT invalid fall back to base", i have seen it random once in a while on a vm, and also with issues on a host or specific storage pool.

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                                          • Tristis OrisT Offline
                                            Tristis Oris Top contributor
                                            last edited by

                                            not sure is it CBT related, never seen that before. VM backup failed in 1min , as always, but task still looks like active.

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