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    XenServer 8.0 - Major update due Q1 2019

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    • olivierlambertO Offline
      olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
      last edited by olivierlambert

      Hi there!

      1. There is NO way they'll communicate publicly on that. This is specifically true since XCP-ng is out.
      2. We can dig around on various GH repo, but a lot of their work is on internal repos, so no chance to get that
      3. Regarding the kernel, it will be VERY likely a more recent LTS kernel: 4.9 or 4.14. I would put a dime on 4.9 because it's mature enough and got the longest time before EOL (see https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html)
      4. Regarding Xen, IDK yet, but it will be indeed a more recent version I presume.

      If you get any info by Open Source Intelligence (OSINT), feel free to share here 🙂

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      • donato_marcosD Offline
        donato_marcos
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        Anyone have any more information about XenServer 8.0?

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        • olivierlambertO Offline
          olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
          last edited by

          Except if you are working inside Citrix, there is 0 chance to have more info 😉

          As I said previously, it will be a platform update (more recent CentOS packages) and a more recent kernel (likely 4.14). That's pretty much it 🙂 (and it's already big!)

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            Andre
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            As a consequence 7.6 will EOL pretty soon.
            How does that impact XCP?

            Thx

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            • olivierlambertO Offline
              olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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              We'll do a release of XCP-ng 8.0 after, as we did since 7.4

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              • ruskofdR Offline
                ruskofd
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                In your opinion, can we expect the arrival of PVH mode or is too early (need Xen 4.10 and kernel 4.11 😐 ) ? This could be game changer for Xen imo

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                • olivierlambertO Offline
                  olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                  last edited by

                  The kernel will be indeed more recent, but I'm not sure about Xen version. So I can't tell. However, the Citrix release cycle is relatively fast since a release each Qx (Q1,Q2…) so I think we may expect some experimental PVH support in 2019. But that's just my feeling based on nothing "concrete".

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                  • ruskofdR Offline
                    ruskofd
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                    That what I thought in some way too. Wait and see ☺

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                    • borzelB Offline
                      borzel XCP-ng Center Team
                      last edited by borzel

                      Latest dev build from XCP-ng Center in preparing of XCP-ng 8.0:

                      🎆 https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin/releases/tag/v99.99.99.22 🎆
                      🎆 https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin/releases/tag/v99.99.99.23 🎆

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                        AllooTikeeChaat
                        last edited by AllooTikeeChaat

                        Apologies for resurrecting this old post but there was some very minor XS 8.0 news from a Citrix rep on a very recent Citrix Virt Apps n Desktop (XenApp/XenDesktop) webinar. Not much info on XS was mentioned other than:

                        New HCL
                        New Kernel and New Xen
                        architectural changes inc. more Ram to Dom0
                        Snapshots for vGPU VMs
                        Win 2019 support
                        2TB+ disk support
                        Improved GPU acceleration

                        So nothing that we didn't already know.

                        A couple of things:

                        • Citrix are effectively shuttering the "Xenserver.org" website. All downloads now are redirected back to Citrix.com
                        • In the old days for a major release like 8.0 we would have seen a tech preview of XS 8.0 in Q1 2019 but there's no sign of that at all.

                        My hunch is that there'll be no news until Citrix Synergy 2019 in May.

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                        • olivierlambertO Offline
                          olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                          Hi @AllooTikeeChaat

                          We have some sources regarding what will come and it will be likely: updated CentOS in dom0, small Xen increment, kernel 4.19 (or 4.14 but likely 4.19). No public tech preview planned at all.

                          It should be out in the next days if our sources are correct (before April 1st)

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                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                            olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
                            last edited by

                            Correction: maybe few days after April the 1st, but around there 😉

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                              AllooTikeeChaat @olivierlambert
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                              @olivierlambert It'll be good if it does show in April as I had thought it would be @Synergy 2019 in mid May. I'm hoping they don't drop support for the older Xeon's using the LGA1366 socket.

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                                JeffBerntsen Top contributor @olivierlambert
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                                @olivierlambert

                                Any thought on how much of it Citrix may be trying to make closed-source to throw a wrench in the spokes for XCP-ng?

                                I know they've announced a session at Synergy just to talk about it so I'm pretty sure it'll be out before then but I hadn't heard anything about sometime in the next couple of weeks.

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                                • olivierlambertO Offline
                                  olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                                  @JeffBerntsen they already threw a lot of wrenches toward XCP-ng. It started since 7.5, with some packages becoming closed sources, or even funnier: RPM packages embedding Citrix logo so you can't redistribute them directly 😆 "EMU manager"-gate is also a good example on how XS management try to fight us beyond any reason and cooperation (which would be mutually beneficial). Finally, new features are closed sources too (eg the unfinished but declared production ready GFS2 feature).

                                  But in the end of the day: Xen and XAPI are Linux Foundation project. This is a strong working base to make XCP-ng without bothering about Citrix. So I'm not worried.

                                  Regarding the release date of 8.0, expect next week.

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                                  • donato_marcosD Offline
                                    donato_marcos @olivierlambert
                                    last edited by donato_marcos

                                    @olivierlambert How silly on the Citrix side, is not it?
                                    XCP-ng could be the same for XenServer as Fedora is for Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
                                    Or at least the same relationship between CentOS and RHEL.

                                    We can think of other successful relationships too, OKD and OpenShift and oVirt and Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization.

                                    Interesting, everyone I mentioned has a Red Hat finger.

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                                    • olivierlambertO Offline
                                      olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO
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                                      About Fedora/CentOS: it's exactly the message I passed to the management team: we are not an enemy but in the opposite, we can bring more people in the Xen world (also we aren't focusing on desktop virt, which is the margin in big and where Citrix is).

                                      It seems they are a bit "against" the Open Source itself, and IMHO they see it as a threat for their business.

                                      Luckily, Xen/XAPI are Linux Foundation projects, so it's a good protection from big dick moves.

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                                      • _danielgurgel_ Offline
                                        _danielgurgel @AllooTikeeChaat
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                                        @AllooTikeeChaat I would like hotplug to add and remove CPU (Sockets / Cores) and RAM to be supported with guest VM started.

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                                        • olivierlambertO Offline
                                          olivierlambert Vates 🪐 Co-Founder CEO @_danielgurgel
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                                          @_danielgurgel said in XenServer 8.0 - Major update due Q1 2019:

                                          @AllooTikeeChaat I would like hotplug to add and remove CPU (Sockets / Cores) and RAM to be supported with guest VM started.

                                          This is already the case.

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                                            AllooTikeeChaat @olivierlambert
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                                            @olivierlambert Its seriously disappointing that Citrix see XCP-NG as a "threat" and not as a companion that can help them too. It doesn't have to be that way and I'm shocked that they were "embedding Citrix logo" into rpms. I hope that they appreciate the work (bugfixes, enhanacements, etc) that the XCP-NG team and community has been doing to help improve XS.

                                            Do you think they will go with Xen 4.11 as that is EOL 2020 and EOS 2021 as all the other Xen releases are EOS 2020?

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