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    Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?

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    • DanpD Offline
      Danp Pro Support Team
      last edited by

      Probably ok since we are still based on Centos 7.5 --

      Updates for the CentOS Linux 7 distribution continue as before until June 30, 2024.

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      • stormiS Offline
        stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
        last edited by stormi

        This recent move from RedHat is clearly sad for CentOS users. For XCP-ng, no immediate concerns since the CentOS packages we use are from CentOS 7 and migration to CentOS 8 had not started.

        In addition to this, CentOS doesn't end. However people won't be able to trust its updates blindly anymore since they won't get all the RHEL QA (Update: actually I've been informed by CentOS devs that they will still receive their fair share of QA and automated testing. CentOS 8 Stream might be a lot more stable that what the announcement let us think). But since we filter and test the updates before they land into our repositories, this shouldn't change anything for our users, even if we switched to CentOS 8.

        In any case there will be time before we need to decide anything.

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        • IndyJI Offline
          IndyJ
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          Not sure this is a real issue for those that wish to use CentOS 8. But when RedHat brought CentOS in and then IBM bought RedHat I guess one had to see something like this coming. πŸ™„

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          • stormiS Offline
            stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
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            The main bad move here is that they promised support until 2029, people trusted them, migrated from CentOS 7 to 8, and now they regret it.

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            • olivierlambertO Offline
              olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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              Yeah, that's a breach of trust 😞

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              • Z Offline
                zulu @stormi
                last edited by

                stormi true that! We've already migrated 30% of our infrastructure to CentOS 8 and now this...

                This is gold, anyway.

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                • olivierlambertO Offline
                  olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO @zulu
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                  zulu oh god… Indeed, this is gold πŸ˜†

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                  • stormiS Offline
                    stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
                    last edited by

                    A useful thread from someone working on CentOS restoring some facts after the disastrous announcement and the logical reactions from disappointed users: https://twitter.com/carlwgeorge/status/1336901625290625024

                    The breach of trust is still there regarding the EOL date of CentOS 8, but CentOS 8 Stream itself should not be that bad. It should still receive a fair amount of internal testing at Red Hat. They probably shouldn't have used the words "development branch" in their blog post: it was obvious that everyone would automatically translate it into "unstable".

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                      astrugatch @stormi
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                      stormi

                      It still moves it ahead of RHEL where as CentOS typically trailed (briefly). I'm not sure what to make of ANOTHER dev branch considering I thought that was the niche Fedora fit in.

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                      • B Offline
                        Biggen
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                        There is also Oracle Linux which is another RHEL offshoot.

                        Will be interesting to see what Xen decides to do. Does xcp-ng forge ahead on their own and pick a distribution that Xen doesn’t?

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                        • olivierlambertO Offline
                          olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                          What do you mean by "Xen" Biggen ? Xen itself doesn't need any Linux distro.

                          You meant Citrix maybe?

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                            Biggen @olivierlambert
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                            olivierlambert Yup, I meant Citrix and whatever they call it now - XenServer.

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                            • olivierlambertO Offline
                              olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                              last edited by

                              We'll have discussion with them to have think about the future πŸ™‚

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                              • stormiS Offline
                                stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
                                last edited by

                                We have published a blog post about all this: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/12/17/centos-and-xcpng-future/

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                                  jefftee @ieugen
                                  last edited by jefftee

                                  ieugen Read the blog post that XCP-NG posted today on this very topic, but even if the decided to stick with CentOS 8 Stream for the future base platform, they have selective control over which packages/updates would get released for XCP-NG.

                                  I've already switched my CentOS 8.x installs to CentOS 8 Stream. Fedora is too buggy and too far upstream of RedHat for my personal taste. CentOS 8 Steam is supposed to be positioned between Fedora and RedHat, so they might just hit the sweet spot.

                                  Of course, if XCP-NG switched to Ubuntu LTS releases as the base going forward, I wouldn't cry about that either, so I anticipate this announcement from RedHat won't really affect XCP-NG and we'll look back on this and realize it was not a big deal.

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                                  • IndyJI Offline
                                    IndyJ @jefftee
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                                    jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

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                                      jefftee @IndyJ
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                                      IndyJ ok

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                                        tuxen Top contributor @IndyJ
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                                        IndyJ said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                                        jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

                                        +1

                                        Low resource footprint, no bloatware... They even have a pre-built Xen Hypervisor ISO flavor πŸ˜‰

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                                        • olivierlambertO Offline
                                          olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                                          Xen and Linux kernel inside XCP-ng are completely custom, so it's pretty different than the those shipped in CentOS or even Alpine.

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                                          • JohnnyBeGoodJ Offline
                                            JohnnyBeGood
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                                            I've always used Debian LTS for many, many years. Just curious if Debian is anywhere on the radar for the replacement?

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