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    Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?

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    • B Offline
      Biggen
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      There is also Oracle Linux which is another RHEL offshoot.

      Will be interesting to see what Xen decides to do. Does xcp-ng forge ahead on their own and pick a distribution that Xen doesn’t?

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      • olivierlambertO Offline
        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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        What do you mean by "Xen" @Biggen ? Xen itself doesn't need any Linux distro.

        You meant Citrix maybe?

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          Biggen @olivierlambert
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          @olivierlambert Yup, I meant Citrix and whatever they call it now - XenServer.

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          • olivierlambertO Offline
            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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            We'll have discussion with them to have think about the future πŸ™‚

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            • stormiS Offline
              stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
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              We have published a blog post about all this: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/12/17/centos-and-xcpng-future/

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                jefftee @ieugen
                last edited by jefftee

                @ieugen Read the blog post that XCP-NG posted today on this very topic, but even if the decided to stick with CentOS 8 Stream for the future base platform, they have selective control over which packages/updates would get released for XCP-NG.

                I've already switched my CentOS 8.x installs to CentOS 8 Stream. Fedora is too buggy and too far upstream of RedHat for my personal taste. CentOS 8 Steam is supposed to be positioned between Fedora and RedHat, so they might just hit the sweet spot.

                Of course, if XCP-NG switched to Ubuntu LTS releases as the base going forward, I wouldn't cry about that either, so I anticipate this announcement from RedHat won't really affect XCP-NG and we'll look back on this and realize it was not a big deal.

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                • IndyJI Offline
                  IndyJ @jefftee
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                  @jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

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                    jefftee @IndyJ
                    last edited by

                    @indyj ok

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                      tuxen Top contributor @IndyJ
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                      @indyj said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                      @jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

                      +1

                      Low resource footprint, no bloatware... They even have a pre-built Xen Hypervisor ISO flavor πŸ˜‰

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                      • olivierlambertO Offline
                        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                        Xen and Linux kernel inside XCP-ng are completely custom, so it's pretty different than the those shipped in CentOS or even Alpine.

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                          JohnnyBeGood
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                          I've always used Debian LTS for many, many years. Just curious if Debian is anywhere on the radar for the replacement?

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                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                            last edited by olivierlambert

                            The thing is: everything is RPM based now. Switching to DEB will involve a LOT of work (not only to rebuild everything, but also the build system, now based on Koji etc.)

                            Note: I like Debian and it's my main server operating system.

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                              JohnnyBeGood @olivierlambert
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                              @olivierlambert said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                              The thing is: everything is RPM based now. Switching to DEB will involve a LOT of work (not only to rebuild everything, but also the build system, now based on Koji etc.)

                              Note: I like Debian and it's my main server operating system.

                              Got it. Thanks!

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                              • olivierlambertO Offline
                                olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                                IMHO, CentOS Stream might do it, alternatively Rocky, but this will be probably a "common" decision with Citrix so we can keep our fork small and contribute to each project easily πŸ™‚ (and move faster!)

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                                • JohnnyBeGoodJ Offline
                                  JohnnyBeGood @olivierlambert
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                                  @olivierlambert said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                                  IMHO, CentOS Stream might do it, alternatively Rocky, but this will be probably a "common" decision with Citrix so we can keep our fork small and contribute to each project easily πŸ™‚ (and move faster!)

                                  I forgot about Citrix. In that case it makes sense to work together. Anything else is double work πŸ™‚

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                                  • olivierlambertO Offline
                                    olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                                    Indeed, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. We always prefer to work together, there's too many things to do πŸ™‚

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                                      goolux
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                                      Any news what will happened here?

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                                      • olivierlambertO Offline
                                        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                        last edited by olivierlambert

                                        CentOS 7 will continue to be supported with patches and so on up to June the 30th 2024, so it's not really a priority as we speak. But I'm sure the topic will be discussed during the next Xen summit in June πŸ™‚

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                                          cdbessig
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                                          Any updates here? We're 8 months away and its worrisome installing new nodes with less than 1 year lifetime.

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                                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                                            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                            last edited by olivierlambert

                                            As I already explained in different places, what matters is the hypervisor, kernel, OVS and such important packages. We can still backport security fixes ourselves on various packages inside the OS.

                                            XCP-ng is only partially based on CentOS, only using non-critical CentOS packages (NOT the kernel, NOT Xen, NOT OVS, SMAPI/XAPI aren't packaged in CentOS etc.).

                                            XCP-ng is NOT your regular distro, it's an appliance where we backport relevant security fixes.

                                            Be sure that next major version won't even have SSH access enabled by default.

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