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    Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?

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    • stormiS Offline
      stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
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      A useful thread from someone working on CentOS restoring some facts after the disastrous announcement and the logical reactions from disappointed users: https://twitter.com/carlwgeorge/status/1336901625290625024

      The breach of trust is still there regarding the EOL date of CentOS 8, but CentOS 8 Stream itself should not be that bad. It should still receive a fair amount of internal testing at Red Hat. They probably shouldn't have used the words "development branch" in their blog post: it was obvious that everyone would automatically translate it into "unstable".

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        astrugatch @stormi
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        stormi

        It still moves it ahead of RHEL where as CentOS typically trailed (briefly). I'm not sure what to make of ANOTHER dev branch considering I thought that was the niche Fedora fit in.

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          Biggen
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          There is also Oracle Linux which is another RHEL offshoot.

          Will be interesting to see what Xen decides to do. Does xcp-ng forge ahead on their own and pick a distribution that Xen doesn’t?

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          • olivierlambertO Offline
            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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            What do you mean by "Xen" Biggen ? Xen itself doesn't need any Linux distro.

            You meant Citrix maybe?

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              Biggen @olivierlambert
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              olivierlambert Yup, I meant Citrix and whatever they call it now - XenServer.

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              • olivierlambertO Offline
                olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                We'll have discussion with them to have think about the future πŸ™‚

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                • stormiS Offline
                  stormi Vates πŸͺ XCP-ng Team
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                  We have published a blog post about all this: https://xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/12/17/centos-and-xcpng-future/

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                    jefftee @ieugen
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                    ieugen Read the blog post that XCP-NG posted today on this very topic, but even if the decided to stick with CentOS 8 Stream for the future base platform, they have selective control over which packages/updates would get released for XCP-NG.

                    I've already switched my CentOS 8.x installs to CentOS 8 Stream. Fedora is too buggy and too far upstream of RedHat for my personal taste. CentOS 8 Steam is supposed to be positioned between Fedora and RedHat, so they might just hit the sweet spot.

                    Of course, if XCP-NG switched to Ubuntu LTS releases as the base going forward, I wouldn't cry about that either, so I anticipate this announcement from RedHat won't really affect XCP-NG and we'll look back on this and realize it was not a big deal.

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                    • IndyJI Offline
                      IndyJ @jefftee
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                      jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

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                        jefftee @IndyJ
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                        IndyJ ok

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                          tuxen Top contributor @IndyJ
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                          IndyJ said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                          jefftee I prefer Alpine Linux. ✌

                          +1

                          Low resource footprint, no bloatware... They even have a pre-built Xen Hypervisor ISO flavor πŸ˜‰

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                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                            Xen and Linux kernel inside XCP-ng are completely custom, so it's pretty different than the those shipped in CentOS or even Alpine.

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                            • JohnnyBeGoodJ Offline
                              JohnnyBeGood
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                              I've always used Debian LTS for many, many years. Just curious if Debian is anywhere on the radar for the replacement?

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                              • olivierlambertO Offline
                                olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                last edited by olivierlambert

                                The thing is: everything is RPM based now. Switching to DEB will involve a LOT of work (not only to rebuild everything, but also the build system, now based on Koji etc.)

                                Note: I like Debian and it's my main server operating system.

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                                • JohnnyBeGoodJ Offline
                                  JohnnyBeGood @olivierlambert
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                                  olivierlambert said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                                  The thing is: everything is RPM based now. Switching to DEB will involve a LOT of work (not only to rebuild everything, but also the build system, now based on Koji etc.)

                                  Note: I like Debian and it's my main server operating system.

                                  Got it. Thanks!

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                                  • olivierlambertO Offline
                                    olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                                    IMHO, CentOS Stream might do it, alternatively Rocky, but this will be probably a "common" decision with Citrix so we can keep our fork small and contribute to each project easily πŸ™‚ (and move faster!)

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                                    • JohnnyBeGoodJ Offline
                                      JohnnyBeGood @olivierlambert
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                                      olivierlambert said in Centos 8 is EOL in 2021, what will xcp-ng do?:

                                      IMHO, CentOS Stream might do it, alternatively Rocky, but this will be probably a "common" decision with Citrix so we can keep our fork small and contribute to each project easily πŸ™‚ (and move faster!)

                                      I forgot about Citrix. In that case it makes sense to work together. Anything else is double work πŸ™‚

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                                      • olivierlambertO Offline
                                        olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
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                                        Indeed, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel. We always prefer to work together, there's too many things to do πŸ™‚

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                                          goolux
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                                          Any news what will happened here?

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                                          • olivierlambertO Offline
                                            olivierlambert Vates πŸͺ Co-Founder CEO
                                            last edited by olivierlambert

                                            CentOS 7 will continue to be supported with patches and so on up to June the 30th 2024, so it's not really a priority as we speak. But I'm sure the topic will be discussed during the next Xen summit in June πŸ™‚

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