@Danp said in XO Community edition backups dont work as of build 6b263:
@wf said in XO Community edition backups dont work as of build 6b263:
How do I roll back to a previous commit?
git checkout <target commit>Then rebuild with
yarn; yarn build
@marcoi use the above to roll back to a specific commit.
@bishoptf I would be very interested to read the T&C's on that agreement, cause it's sus AF.
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
@DustinB Nope that was a fully supported license including support...I could open tickets and maybe the response would have been slow but it was a fully supported instance.
Were you using version 4 of the software? Like, there is no way VMWare ever sold a license with support for $45/year within the past 15 years....
I've worked with some very large non-profits and their pricing was higher than that for modern versions of ESXi.
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
Yup for essentials my pricing was like $45/year, lol.
You were paying $45 a year to use the software.... literally nothing else, you got zero support with that $45 a year...
You can and many people do use XCP-ng and XOCE for $0/year forever and have saved that much money, and have been given access to the community for free, where the developers will respond if they have time.
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
Veeam starts to officially support it.
Veeam works inside of the VM as well, if you wanted a toolless backup solution you'd just use Xen Orchestra. . . I don't understand this fundamental lack of understanding that is happening in this topic....
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
compile from source it's not a easy path for a lot of folks
You aren't compiling anything, you're downloading an ISO and installing that to hardware, and in the case of XOCE, you're running a single line command on a Ubuntu Server.
All of it comes with community provided support.... provided at zero cost to you, which means you get to reap even more benefit (value).
@JeffBerntsen said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
@bishoptf Something else to consider is the quality of support you get for what you pay. It's possible, not always possible, but possible, even likely, that you can download and use XCP-ng for free, build XO from source, giving you that for free, and still get better support here in the forums than the paid support you get from VMware (or from Citrix for XenServer for that matter).
Exactly, and on the flip side of that, there is nothing in the lowest tiers of support agreements from Broadcom that offers anything remotely close to an SLA or assurance, they may offer you the bare minimum of saying, "Thumbs up from us" and then tell you to upgrade to the latest version of the software.
Another way to look at this is Vates is saying that they simply won't sell you access to support for less than X dollars year (support, not the software the software is free).
You're saying that you only want to pay less than X dollars per year, and Vates is telling you that it isn't worth the business risk to sell to customers who are so small and is recommending you use the opensource software and community support for free.
If your customers told you that they wanted to pay you only a 10th per year what you're charging them now, would you accept that, or would you recommend that they find an alternative answer?
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
Wow, thats not really helping the conversation, not sure what point your trying to prove. I was just trying to point out that for us very small businesses that current Broadcom standard pricing is cheaper
It isn't cheaper, nothing can be cheaper than free. You're paying Broadcom for the right to use the software, without any assurance or support from the vendor directly.
With XCP-ng, ProxMox or just straight KVM, you get the software for free, and still have access to a community to ask for help.
You're confused about what you're paying Broadcom for and are expecting the same rules to apply here when they don't.
@McHenry said in Understanding multiple schedules:
Thank you but still not 100% clear.
As we want to reset the delta chain periodically with a full backup, does the monthly full backup achieve this goal?
My question is ultimately, what is the maximum length of the delta chain in this scenario?
I don't know offhand if the full then creates new delta's from that point forward, as I recall the delta depth is pretty damn good (I've never had to restore from a full).
Maybe someone from the vates team will pop in and know the answer.
@bishoptf if you really want, I'll invoice you annually for $150/year to support you, personally.
It'll be me telling you to read the docs or searching the forums.
Sounds like a great deal, I'll even provide you a link to the docs.
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
Currently there are no real good solutions that provide that same level at the same cost.
You're right, XCP-ng and Xen orchestra from Source or XOCE (see my profile) are cheaper!
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
Not exactly I am just trying to note that there are small companies that need something equvalent,
You're conflating paying for the right to use the software (VMWare Essentials) with OpenSource and completely free to use.
Do you ask your employees to work for free, endlessly, of course not.
Just use the opensource software and the community forums here for support, since that is clearly the bulk of what you're really needing.
@olivierlambert said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
I understand, as you understand we cannot actually lose money on what we do. Remember, we do open source, not like Broadcom, so you can't compare directly. Being at a lower listed price than what we have will simply kill us. It's simple as that.
Right and changing the model for micro-customers or non-profits (or MSP's who support Non-Profits) doesn't make sense.
Even a single ticket into the ticket system costs money, money to look at, money to review any logs, money to staff, I think everyone pretty much understands that.
What doesn't make sense to me is that @bishoptf wants to pay for some level of support, that is lower than what they were paying broadcom for just software without any support for software that is completely opensource, when it appears that they are running a Managed Services Provider organization.
And not for nothing, but Non-Profits in the US get some very solid funding every year, they have money, $1000 a year is nothing. I've seen a Food bank sign on the dotted line for almost $50,000 without even looking at it for a Wireless upgrade for their offices.
They latter ended up spending even more to expand the network the same year.
@bishoptf said in XO and XCP-ng pricing:
@olivierlambert Appreciate your quick response, again I think most decent size businesses would have no issues with the current pricing its just the micro, small businesses that will. VMware was basically giving it away, my last 3 year renewal for essentials was $106. Again Broadcom now min core count is 16, I have 6 cores per host and only have 2 hosts since they do not have onsite response but essentials was just basic software, no vmotion etc but did come with vcenter to manage both hosts. Used Veeam to replicate across hosts and backup to our backup storage, again Veeam provides a non profit pricing which is very affordable.
So you agree you were only paying for the software (prior to the acquisition).... with XCP-ng you can get the software for free for the entire stack and have the same level of support (from the community) which you had with Essentials from Broadcom.
You're asking for more than what you were getting from Broadcom before, and to essentially be paid to "move".
Insane....
@AlexQuorum that screenshot looks like you're at the host level, and not the pool level.
A single host is still a pool, just a pool of 1.
I believe if you look at the host level Networking you can set this information....
@AlexQuorum Did you add the bond at the pool level or on the host itself?
@McHenry the second pattern 0 20 1 * * reads as At 8PM on the first day of the month run your full backup.
The first is to run a delta at the same time every day of the month, besides the first of the month.
@acebmxer Not a backup job, a backup sequence.
Jobs are for creating separate backups on (usually different schedules).
Sequences are Backup and then do XYZ.
@kagbasi-ngc said in VM Console Screen Suddenly Inaccessible:
Hmm, interesting observation about potentially this being a failed migration issue.
I can confirm that none of my users in the lab are migrating any VMs or this particular one, for that matter. However, I do have the Load Balancer plugin running and it could be the source of a migration that could've failed. How can I confirm this in the logs? I mean, what should I be looking for?
While trying to find logs, you can try to find the VM in question and see if it is using local storage rather than shared.